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17077. thoughtful - 10/20/2005 3:22:41 PM Mac, can you curl your tongue? 17078. Macnas - 10/20/2005 3:36:12 PM Trust me thoughtful, I cannot roll the "r" sound. 17079. wonkers2 - 10/20/2005 4:20:45 PM Cap'n Dirty sez, "Alistair, all you need is two phrases: "Otra cerveza, por favor." and "Tu cuarto o mio?" 17080. Macnas - 10/20/2005 4:32:02 PM I know cerveza is beer, I reckon I can guess the other. 17081. alistairconnor - 10/20/2005 4:36:29 PM well, Cap'n... my language tutor worked out that the Spanish wasn't actually necessary for my work... now she wants to come with me to Madrid! 17082. Macnas - 10/20/2005 4:39:12 PM This isn't the same person as is the climbing instructor is it? 17083. thoughtful - 10/20/2005 4:47:19 PM Mac, yes but can you curl your tongue? It's a dominant genetic trait. 17084. Macnas - 10/20/2005 4:50:26 PM Curl it which way? 17085. alistairconnor - 10/20/2005 4:54:47 PM Oh yes it is Mac... many talents. 17086. PelleNilsson - 10/20/2005 5:16:54 PM It seems to me most Anglos (except Scots and some other odds and ends)have difficulties with the rolling 'r'. An Anglo-Swedish accent is very easy to imitate. You just move your tongue back a bit and let the long wowels take on a somewhat diphtong-like quality. 17087. jayackroyd - 10/20/2005 5:33:47 PM "wowels"
Pretty good, that. 17088. Ms. No - 10/20/2005 5:35:53 PM I can roll r's easily but haven't figured out where in the throat those African click languages are formed. The closest I've come is a kind of "I swallowed a bug" inhale-click at about the uvula or just a little behind. 17089. Ms. No - 10/20/2005 5:36:40 PM Not that I've ever spoken with anyone who is actually fluent such and might be able to teach me the sound. 17090. PelleNilsson - 10/20/2005 5:58:34 PM On the other hand I cannot do a proper French 'r', just a croaking noise very far from Piaf quality. But from what I understand the rolling 'r' is used by in some dialects and by many-excolonials, so what the hell. The croak goes very well with German, thoughy. 17091. Ms. No - 10/20/2005 6:43:20 PM I have a hard time with flattened vowels. The Texan and Australian accents really don't sound alike, but they are similar sounding to my mouth and I can duplicate neither. This is a bizarre state of affairs for me since I can mimic most things that I hear....well, except for that click thing. 17092. Ms. No - 10/20/2005 6:44:44 PM And of course, unless it's English it will likely make no sense to me since I'm not anything near proficient in any other Language. 17093. thoughtful - 10/20/2005 6:48:52 PM i can roll r's and do the french r as well, but i have trouble with certain vowels like Ms. No.
Whenever I say it, these two sound the same: harry and hairy.
Mac, like this:
 17094. jayackroyd - 10/20/2005 6:50:27 PM I have the click. The dinka word for "yup" "gotcha" "I agree" is [click]. The word for "no no" "that's a bad idea" "no way" is a smushier click farther back in the mouth that I never really mastered.
It's not unlike the click some people who ride horses use.
They also had aspirates. The word for lion, 'koor', is aspirated at the beginning, some like "hkohhkoor". 17095. thoughtful - 10/20/2005 6:50:52 PM there's a lot of consonant combos i'm very poor at which is probably why my in laws gave up trying to teach me slovak. Things like names that begin with Ml like Mlarnek. 17096. jayackroyd - 10/20/2005 6:51:27 PM A small number of people can roll it the other way.
I can touch my nose with my tongue.
(No comments, please, capn dirty.)
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