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23379. thoughtful - 1/15/2008 10:27:54 PM

The dress looks something like the one in the middle, though it's the length of the one on the right.

23380. wonkers2 - 1/15/2008 10:30:34 PM

Judith, you don't come close to being older! Patsy R is apparently the only one who can claim that.

23381. alistairConnor - 1/15/2008 11:49:57 PM

Moving story Tful.
I was hospitalised when I was about 18 months old, no memories but an abiding sense of abandonment... which has structured my personality and is perhaps not entirely unconnected to the fact that my mother has given countless hours of activist and volunteer time on the theme of children in hospitals. A noble cause.

23382. thoughtful - 1/16/2008 12:13:01 AM

AC, amazing how that happens isn't it? Especially since you were so young and have no memory of it. To think i was only left for an overnight and it so shaped my personality to this day...e.g. my inability to trust people and thus my being a control freak. I can't imagine how people survive things like foster care, and how difficult it is for them to grow beyond such an experience.

Much better these days now that hospitals accommodate family members.

And here I was hoping you'd comment on my dress!

23383. wonkers2 - 1/16/2008 1:16:49 AM

Your dress sounds elegant! How about a pic?

23384. judithathome - 1/16/2008 1:22:49 AM

Thoughtful, your dress will be perfect. You'll see when you get to the event...you'll be AMAZED at what you see women wearing, everything from dresses that look more like nighties to ful- on prom dress types. There will be plenty of cocktail length dresses as well as everything from minis on down.

Don't worry about a thing...you will be dressed perfectly.

23385. judithathome - 1/16/2008 1:23:31 AM

I would advise a kicky little vintage evening bag to go with....

23386. thoughtful - 1/16/2008 4:06:44 PM

Thanks J@h...i tried it on last night, and I'm still in between. Work is sending me to FL for a presentation, hubby is meeting me there and we're taking a few days vacation. Nothing mother and I like doing better than shopping for some chi chi dress, so we may do that anyway. If I find nothing suitable though, this one will certainly do.

Evening bags I got. I have a lovely silk bag that was a gift from someone in India and I have another that is covered with fine silver beads with a long braided strap.

I'll have to check my shoes tho...I'll need a sexy strappy number.

23387. thoughtful - 1/16/2008 4:10:28 PM

I've been looking at tux pics too and i decided that the bow tie cummerbund deal is very old fashioned looking. I've seen more modern tuxes that use a fancy vest with a matching tie. Looks more up to date to me.

Hubby will have to get nice shoes. I refuse to let him wear his old GI shoes as he suggested. He got out of the army in '64!

23388. judithathome - 1/16/2008 4:44:21 PM

If they are the dress patent shoes, they might work.

We have a friend who bought some military "dress blues" patent shoes at an estate sale...he said they were the only things that made the formal evenings he has to attend as an artist (sponsored by his main patron) bearable. Trust me, the dress patents haven't changed in ages...when those bargain vintage ones fell apart, Keoni took him out to Clothing Sales (military clothing) and they bought him a new pair...he said they look exactly the same and a lot better than what some of the social mavens are wearing to those events.

You could also rent him a pair with the tux. I think the best tuxes going today look like business suits but with satin lapels and nothinf but a very beutiful solid color tie. 9He could wear a tie in the same color as your dress!)

Keoni came home yesterday with a white on white silk tie and I asked him where he would wear it...he said "I don't know yet...but isn't it beautiful?" Had to laughinly agree....

23389. thoughtful - 1/16/2008 5:04:27 PM

Perhaps your right, but we'll have to see what they look like once he polishes the mildew off of them!

23390. wonkers2 - 1/16/2008 6:03:27 PM

Nothing wrong with old, black GI dress shoes with a good spit shine. If he wore some cheery argyll socks nobody would notice the shoes!

23391. thoughtful - 1/16/2008 6:38:50 PM

argyle? maybe some socks with teddy bears! That'd be more his speed.

23392. Ms. No - 1/16/2008 6:53:09 PM

Ha! Judith, I can just hear Keoni saying that! Brought my first smile of the morning --- not bad since I slept in and have only been out of bed for about twenty minutes.


23393. alistairconnor - 1/16/2008 9:47:20 PM

Tful, it didn't make me a control freak. Just made me spend most of the following 45 years setting myself up for rejection by women. Fulfilling the prophecy, if that makes any sense...

23394. jexster - 1/16/2008 11:55:00 PM

"Glamour Puss"

New Zealand
East Coast Pinot Noir


Not bad for two buck chuck class

23395. alistairConnor - 1/17/2008 1:20:49 AM

Hmph. What vineyard? A classy Pinot Noir should come from Otago, or à la rigueur, Canterbury. Not the East Coast, where it is too easy to grow grapes. Pinot has to struggle to bring out its best, like Chardonnay. I'm not drinking any more fucking warm-climate Chardonnay. All that butter is bad for my cholesterol.

Last weekend, went to the Jura, and came across (almost literally) a rather attractive winemaker in Arbois... the Tissot house are perhaps the top dogs in the Jura. A couple of the Chardonnays put tears in my eyes and I said I'd buy some before asking the price... then decided it would be unmanly to back down despite the 15 euros a bottle. Technically out of my price range but what the hell. These people are such snobs, the wine is organic but it doesn't say so on the label. No sulphur, we were drunk as lords Saturday night and fresh as daisies on Sunday.

23396. jexster - 1/17/2008 3:02:37 AM

Ain't no "vineyard"


Bottled for American Wine Distributors
at Huapai, NZ


Like I said. ...1.99 a bottle

23397. thoughtful - 1/17/2008 11:33:04 PM

So i went to the dept store at lunch and tried on a gown. I have no idea why it is, but every time I go to buy a dress for years and years the one that always looks best is navy!

Anyway, it looked terrific on me...it looked like a top and a skirt, though it was one piece. The top was very fitted in a navy with a little sparkle design in the fabric (chic and pretty, not cheap and glitzy) and came down to the top of the hips. The solid navy skirt was out of a satin-like fabric and fell in a nice a-line to the floor from there. It was even the right length so I wouldn't need to shorten it like I usually do. The top had a deeply rounded neck around which a pleated satin collar maybe 7" deep was overlayed that matched the skirt. Though it gave the impression of being off the shoulder, even my regular bra didn't show under it. It was quite nice, tasteful and very flattering. Gave me a beautiful decolletage. It wasn't on sale, but it wasn't as expensive as the others and I had a coupon.

But I didn't buy it. They had several there and I figure I can wait til I come back from vacation if I think I need it. But it was so similar to the dress I already have and I really think the tea length is so graceful vs the full length that I'm tempted to stick with what I have. I know that no one else will have one like it! Besides, if I bought the dress, I'd lose the excuse to go shopping with my mother!

Maybe I'll drag hubby's butt to the store and have him help me decide...

23398. wonkers2 - 1/18/2008 12:34:29 AM

In my experience women waste an incredible amount of time shopping, making up their minds, buying and then returning what they bought.

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