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25021. arkymalarky - 1/29/2009 9:06:49 PM

I don't really know, Anomie. It felt like I would forever leave any objective definition of youth or childhood, I guess, but I don't know. It was just the feeling I had to be a grownup, though I'd been maried five years and had a child and a career. It's not like I was a wild child who felt compelled to give it up at 30.

My main problem with age now is that I want to be a lot more free than I feel. Bob is the same, so we look forward to retiring while we have enough energy to enjoy it, tho we both love teaching. We will probably drop to p/t within five years. We're always making plans and never have time or energy to carry them out.

25022. iiibbb - 1/29/2009 9:22:25 PM

30 didn't bother me...

...36 was weird because it was twice the age I started college.

25023. anomie - 1/29/2009 9:26:34 PM

I understand, although I don't remember being bothered by 30 too much. However, at 32 I married a gal because I figured if I waited any longer I'd be much too old for anyone to want me. And she was getting up there too. 31. Of course life and youthful galavanting began again when we divorced, at which point I was 40 and felt younger than ever...lucky to be alive and healthy and still had most of my hair.

25024. arkymalarky - 1/29/2009 10:05:57 PM

Pretty rough route, going thru marriage and divorce to feel young again!

Wombat, I can't find yours. You can email me at amalarky@yahoo.com.

25025. anomie - 1/29/2009 11:10:54 PM

Oh Arky, you don't know the half of it.

25026. judithathome - 1/30/2009 3:08:23 AM

Thirty didn't bother me because when I turned 30, the au courant recommendation was "Don't trust anyone over 30" and I knew better. However, I spent my thirty-first birthday in tears.

Haven't regretted one since, though. Maybe I was more sober on my 31st....can't recall.

25027. iiibbb - 1/30/2009 4:39:20 PM

More on Sisu

“There is a certain animalistic stubbornness in sisu. There are certainly moments of joy, after having survived a bad situation. Sometimes there are friends to congratulate you and praise you. But just as often, there is no reward whatsoever, no acknowledgment whatsoever. This is the most essential ingredient, this Sisyphean element. It's critical to persist, to continue, to persevere, without any expectation of any outcome whatsoever. The heart of sisu is doing what is right, simply because it is right. The heart of sisu is to persevere, because not to is unthinkable.

Sisu is when anyone continues, even though in the heart of despair, despite having been betrayed, even though being mocked, even though alone, even though heartsick, injured, and nauseous because to surrender to the despair is unthinkable.”

25028. judithathome - 1/30/2009 5:27:08 PM

Sisu is when anyone continues, even though in the heart of despair, despite having been betrayed, even though being mocked, even though alone, even though heartsick, injured, and nauseous because to surrender to the despair is unthinkable.

Sounds pretty good, this Sisu.

25029. Wombat - 1/30/2009 7:11:21 PM

On the other hand, don't Finns have the highest suicide rate in Europe--if not the world?

25030. iiibbb - 1/30/2009 9:02:24 PM

Who defines the culture--

The 18-30 people out of 100,000 who do commit suicide,

or the 999,970 to 999,982 of 100,000 that don't?


Also, is a slightly higher suicide rate necessarily inconsistent in the context of a cultural identity where people take on difficult tasks relying only on themselves?

25031. iiibbb - 1/30/2009 9:03:00 PM

No one said they don't get depressed.

25032. iiibbb - 1/30/2009 9:32:41 PM

Now for more fun.



If clockwise, then you use more of the right side of the brain and vice versa.

Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise though you can try to focus and change the direction; see if you can do it.

LEFT BRAIN FUNCTIONS
uses logic
detail oriented
facts rule
words and language
present and past
math and science
can comprehend
knowing
acknowledges
order/pattern perception
knows object name
reality based
forms strategies
practical
safe

RIGHT BRAIN FUNCTIONS
uses feeling
"big picture" oriented
imagination rules
symbols and images
present and future
philosophy & religion
can "get it" (i.e. meaning)
believes
appreciates
spatial perception
knows object function
fantasy based
presents possibilities
impetuous
risk taking

25033. iiibbb - 1/30/2009 9:33:56 PM

I can usually get her to switch at will by quickly changing my view from her head to her feet.

It's hit or miss which way I see her spinning at first glance.

25034. thoughtful - 1/30/2009 11:20:52 PM

that's very cool

25035. wabbit - 1/31/2009 1:16:51 AM

I cannot get her to spin counter-clockwise for my life.

25036. wabbit - 1/31/2009 1:18:12 AM

Ah, got it!

25037. iiibbb - 1/31/2009 1:42:40 AM

My new trick is to look at her with my peripheral vision until she switches on her own, and then recenter on her. I can't get her to switch if I look straight at her.

25038. Ms. No - 1/31/2009 7:52:21 AM

I spent my 30th birthday just outside of D.C. at Diva's house with several Moties --- Bubbaette and Niner among them.

I don't know whether 40 is going to bother me or not. It sort of bothers me now, but it's not as if you want to NOT turn 40, you know? ;->

25039. Ms. No - 1/31/2009 7:53:39 AM

whew! It took me forever to get the woman to turn counter-clockwise --- the periferal vision thing helped a lot. I don't know that I ever would've gotten it otherwise.

Hmmm....wabbit and I both had trouble with that. I'm wondering what the Wiz would see.

25040. judithathome - 1/31/2009 3:36:40 PM

I saw her counter at the very first...swift glance and then, looking back, clockwise. I can get her to change easily, after about three spins.

I must be messed up! Or indecisive!

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