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27481. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 6:39:05 AM Now I feel like writing 2000+ words on the Internet pre-snooping, pre-NSA diabolicalness, pre-scumbags like PMS.
But who will pay?! Dollar a word is my rate! 27482. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 6:45:33 AM Why is it a fake debate, bhel? Am I to believe you don't care how people are identified in society?
Well, I don't believe you. I think you care greatly. You may not care about certain kinds of people, but you still care about others.
But even if it's true that you care not at all for how people are identified, and the way we understand their characteristics, society obviously cares. On both the left and the right.
So this is what we people who actually like debating call a real debate. No credentials need be presented. No moral judgments need be displayed. You just need a good old fashioned argument. 27483. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 6:54:07 AM When I earlier said bhel didn't know a debate from a hole in the ground, this was exactly what I meant.
He casually dismisses an entire realm of centuries-old inquiry into sex, gender and identity, which has only heated up to an extreme degree in the last few decades, as a "fake debate". Why? Because he doesn't even know how to approach the discussion unless he can moralize about it. He has a fine aesthetic sensibility, but is missing entirely an analytical side to his brain. 27484. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 6:56:39 AM You unlucky saps have me until tomorrow (Monday, US time - just in case Alistair is using that date for our bet deadline) and then I will return to the darkness from whence I crept. 27485. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 6:56:43 AM Yawn. Fuck off. 27486. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 6:59:09 AM "Yawn. Fuck off."
This must be that "grownup" side of the forum that bhel was earlier extolling. 27487. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 7:08:19 AM 27466. iiibbb - 7/1/2013 2:44:49 AM
they say strange things happen to people who have been to the end of the Internet... I thought I'd never see one
Bingo! We are experiencing the last of the trolls. 27488. judithathome - 7/1/2013 7:20:16 AM Probably not. 27489. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 7:23:42 AM You guys flatter yourselves if you think anyone would bother to come here to troll you. That's like a seventy-five-year-old woman thinking that young, cute bag boy at the grocery store is checking her out every time she buys groceries. 27490. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 7:26:49 AM Boring. So very boring, troll. Now fuck off back to your cave! 27491. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 7:29:57 AM Tomorrow, my fine and civil and grownup Hindu, you'll get your wish.
But not before. 27492. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 7:33:10 AM And then you guys can go back to your little monthly chitchats.
Arky: "Put some gewgaws on my new hammock !"
Judith: Envious !"
Bhel: "I'm so happy to be part of a grownup forum."
Not much troll bait there. 27493. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 7:38:47 AM The use of the word mistake is idiotic on its face. There are a host of characteristics people are born with that "reduce fitness," whatever the hell that means. Your inability to grasp what constitutes an option wrt parenting a child and what doesn't leads me to wonder whether you have any concept of child development at all. Post something your blinkered perception didn't just intuit based on bupkus and we'll debate it. 27494. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 7:42:40 AM PM, I hate that your circuit is so narrow and undeveloped after all these years. Reading your posts is like entering a time warp. But that's really yourproblem, not ours. 27495. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 7:49:49 AM "Their condition is still a mistake, and it's wrong to fetishize it as some sort of valuable identity that needs to be protected and nurtured. So if in the future you have the ability to make a choice about that condition in future children, you should do the right thing by removing it. We don't need to perpetuate transgenders like they're a rare species."
Seriously, this is beyond stupid. What would be the reason for eliminating them any more than removing dyslexics or whatever other types make you squirm? If you want to be shocking and provocative, at least don't be so lazy about it that you don't even bother to construct a decent support for your pile of doo doo. On 27496. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 7:51:49 AM I do love the ridiculous false premises. People are just fetishizing all over the place when it comes to trans genders. Hahaha! 27497. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 7:54:14 AM And you do realize Downs Syndrome children are identified before birth, right? 27498. arkymalarky - 7/1/2013 8:02:26 AM Wow. I guess he turned into a pumpkin. 27499. bhelpuri - 7/1/2013 8:13:21 AM No, chump is doing Internet research. It's bleakly hilarious how little has changed for PMS in what, a decade? 27500. PincherMartin - 7/1/2013 8:14:32 AM Arky:
"The use of the word mistake is idiotic on its face. There are a host of characteristics people are born with that "reduce fitness," whatever the hell that means."
It's a common evolutionary term. Common. It refers to a reduced propensity in a particular group to reproduce.
For God's sakes, google it if you have to. Or just pretend you know what the hell I'm talking about.
Why is this important, and why do I call them mistakes? Because almost all characteristics which reduce fitness will disappear in a population over time. They will become increasingly rare and vanish.
But a few don't seem to. Like automobile accidents on a stretch of road, they crop up predictably every so often for various reasons. Disease. Bad combination of genes. An environmental accident. Or some combination of the above. Sometimes we know why; but often we don't.
In the old days, we usually didn't call the results of these "accidents" normal - even if we didn't understand why they were the way they were, and even if the condition wasn't that rare. It was sad day when you had a deaf baby. Or a chronically sick baby. Or a mentally handicapped baby. A parent was not happy with such normality. He didn't celebrate that his child might add to deaf culture.
"Your inability to grasp what constitutes an option wrt parenting a child and what doesn't leads me to wonder whether you have any concept of child development at all."
The argument is strictly a hypothetical one. In the future, all other things equal, if you're given a chance as a parent to change a particular rare condition like sexual orientation in your unborn child, one that will greatly affect the child's adult identity, do you do it?
Come on, this is not a hard question.
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