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28138. pelty - 4/14/2006 6:11:12 PM "There was a Catholic priest (don't remember his name) who dissembled profusely about how heretical gospels are not authentic."
"Authentic" probably is not the best word. They are certainly "authentic" and representative of a certain strain of early Christian (defined broadly) thought, but are they early or more factual? Well, most would answer that they are certainly of a later date than the traditional gospels (or at least the Synoptics). As for their historical accuracy, I suppose that is for the individual to decide. 28139. Adam Selene - 4/14/2006 6:42:09 PM My wife always tells me that I need to explain my humor.... I was trying to comment on the circular nature of the priest's logic. "It's not authentic because it's heretical".. but he forgot to clarify that "it's heretical because the church chooses which gosples are true..." And, since it's heretical, therefore it's not authentic! QED. :) 28140. jexster - 4/14/2006 9:44:55 PM 
Behold the Wood of the Cross
28141. sakonige - 4/15/2006 12:31:26 AM looks like metal to me. 28142. judithathome - 4/15/2006 12:43:49 AM It is...the wood is a little sliver inside that circle in the middle which is made of crystal...the actual wood is smaller than a used toothpick. 28143. sakonige - 4/15/2006 1:11:18 AM hmm. 28144. jexster - 4/15/2006 1:51:30 AM Judith a Catholic first class
We actually have one in our parish. Was inspired after today's Statios of the Cross followed by Exposition of the Relic of the True Cross 28145. jexster - 4/15/2006 1:54:42 AM The royal banners forward go,
the cross shines forth in mystic glow;
where he in flesh, our flesh who made,
our sentence bore, our ransom paid.
Where deep for us the spear was dyed,
life's torrent rushing from his side,
to wash us in that precious flood,
where mingled water flowed, and blood.
Fulfilled is all that David told
in true prophetic song of old,
amidst the nations, God, saith he,
hath reigned and triumphed from the tree.
O tree of beauty, tree of light!
O tree with royal purple dight!
Elect on whose triumphal breast
those holy limbs should find their rest.
Blest tree, whose chosen branches bore
the wealth that did the world restore,
the price of humankind to pay,
and spoil the spoiler of his prey.
Upon its arms, like balance true,
he weighed the price for sinners due,
the price which none but he could pay,
and spoiled the spoiler of his prey.
O cross, our one reliance, hail!
Still may thy power with us avail
to give new virtue to the saint,
and pardon to the penitent.
To thee, eternal Three in One,
let homage meet by all be done:
whom by the cross thou dost restore,
preserve and govern evermore.
28146. jexster - 4/15/2006 4:25:02 AM Meditation 2 -- Reproaches:
P. O my people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you? Answer me! I led you out of Egypt, from slavery to freedom, but you have led your Savior to the cross.
C. Holy is God! Holy and strong! Holy immortal One, have mercy on us.
28147. jexster - 4/15/2006 5:25:53 PM Gregorian Chants and Scores Lent - Easter
ECCE LIGNUM CRUCIS
(Antiphon of the Liturgy– Holy friday)
Ecce lignum crucis, in quo salus mundi pependit.
ˇVenite adoremus!
Behold the timber of the cross on which Salvation of the world was suspended.
Come to adore him!
The Litany of the Saints28148. jexster - 4/15/2006 6:00:50 PM Doing the Triduum of Holy Week on Rhapsody, I discoveed something rather amazing. THe Reproaches in which the ancient gregorian chant alternates with a Sufi muslim riffs from someone apparently fairly famous (Sony) from Pakistan (Novum Gaudium. Invocation)
28149. Jenerator - 4/16/2006 2:53:19 PM 1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
5The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."
8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
The Guards' Report
11While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Happy Easter! 28150. sakonige - 4/17/2006 1:35:35 AM
"Jesus died for your sins two thousand years before you committed any" is one of the strangest religious concepts I've come across. Christians seem to take it for granted, but it makes no sense at all. The two acts have no logical connection. The sequence of events is backwards with the punishment preceding the sin, and there is no explaination of how punishing an innocent person absolves the guilty party. Is it supposed to be a pre-paid accounting transaction in some kind of transferrable spiritual credits? 28151. sakonige - 4/17/2006 1:43:40 AM And then it's all supposed to work because the life that was to be sacrificed hasn't actaully ended?
It doesn't make any sense. 28152. Adam Selene - 4/17/2006 2:26:24 AM Sakonige - what's your religion, and what absurd articles of faith do you profess? 28153. sakonige - 4/17/2006 4:37:41 AM I guess I don't have a religion.
How about you? 28154. Ulgine Barrows - 4/17/2006 4:47:42 AM I don't have religion either, and anyone here, who says they do, are LIARS.
I have my own beliefs
And spirituality is another matter entirely.
I won't argue with you if you say you have RITUALS.
eggs were on sale this week, ya know 28155. Adam Selene - 4/17/2006 2:03:21 PM I guess I'm a babtist athiest. I was raised a babtist but when I was a teenager and went through the "what is all this stuff people think I should believe" stage, I realized it was a bunch of hooey. (Sorry Jenn.)
It's funny - I don't believe any particular religion or even the concept that this is all planned in anyway, yet I have some weird sense that there is more to reality than we know and that death isn't the end. I find that I'm much more moral than most religious people I know, but it doesn't come from outside, just what I choose. Maybe I'm a closet existentialist...
I don't think there is any personal survival after death - but that there are other forms of consiousness and participation in reality. Whatever form it takes (or not,) my wishing it were otherwise is irrelevant. But I find (as I get older) that I don't fear death as I did as a kid and I don't need some escape hatch fantasy that I will live forever. 28156. wonkers2 - 4/17/2006 3:46:24 PM Up to $50,000 a dozen I hear. 28157. PelleNilsson - 4/17/2006 5:07:50 PM Adam
You seem to have a genuine interest in the issues we discuss in this thread. Would you agree to host it? resonance hasn't posted in ages. I'm sure he won't object, and if he does I'll crush his virtual head with the blunt side of my virtual meat cleaver.
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