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28344. Adam Selene - 6/1/2006 12:21:07 AM Excellent link for Karen Armstrong's article. I must say I totally agree with her. Although I do cringe at the "opiate of the masses" implications - but beyond that I think she's on to something real in her interpretation. 28345. wonkers2 - 6/1/2006 1:42:34 AM I liked Karen Armstrong's piece, too. She seems like a pretty tolerant lady and so does her religion. Too bad her stuff can't be bottled or put in the drinking water. 28346. jexster - 6/1/2006 2:49:34 AM Yea she's great. Never heard of her. Dollars to donuts our nearly departing Bishop Swing has. He's off on his United Religions thing which I half jokingly refer to as his campaign to be Pope of the Universe.
The Coming United Religions by +William E. Swing 28347. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 3:02:16 AM Today is 6/6/6, and no one has anything to say about it? 28348. judithathome - 6/7/2006 4:18:34 AM What? D-day, the sixth of June? What's to say? ;-) 28349. Ulgine Barrows - 6/7/2006 7:16:11 AM 28347. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 3:02:16 AM
Today is 6/6/6, and no one has anything to say about it?
scritchy scritchy bitey bitey on your back, beastie. 28350. Adam Selene - 6/7/2006 11:53:08 PM Ulgine... you give me shivers.... 28351. Ulgine Barrows - 6/10/2006 9:03:41 AM The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
And its the same the whole world round.
-XTC
my brother's dead, I think
Haven't heard from him in 9 years
Mother: No thugs in our house!
Father: No thugs in our house!
28352. jexster - 6/16/2006 4:33:50 AM Sweet Sacrament divine,
hid in thine earthly home;
lo! round thy lowly shrine,
with suppliant hearts we come;
Jesus, to thee our voice we raise
In songs of love and heartfelt praise
sweet Sacrament divine.
Sweet Sacrament of peace,
dear home of every heart,
where restless yearnings cease,
and sorrows all depart.
there in thine ear, all trustfully,
we tell our tale of misery,
sweet Sacrament of peace.
Sweet Sacrament of rest,
ark from the ocean's roar,
within thy shelter blest
soon may we reach the shore;
save us, for still the tempest raves,
save, lest we sink beneath the waves:
sweet Sacrament of rest.
Sweet Sacrament divine,
earth's light and jubilee,
in thy far depths doth shine
the Godhead's majesty;
sweet light, so shine on us, we pray
that earthly joys may fade away:
sweet Sacrament divine.
The Feast of Corpus Christi
June 15 28353. jexster - 6/19/2006 3:56:55 AM Habemus Primette
Woman Is Named Episcopal Leader
COLUMBUS, Ohio, June 18 — The Episcopal Church elected Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori of Nevada as its presiding bishop on Sunday, making her the first woman to lead a church in the history of the worldwide Anglican Communion.
Many of the Episcopalians gathered here for the church's triennial general convention cheered the largely unexpected choice of Bishop Jefferts Schori, 52, the lone woman candidate in a field of seven and one of the youngest vying for the job. Her election was a milestone for the Episcopal Church, which began ordaining women only in 1976.
She takes on her new responsibilities at a particularly fraught moment in the history of the Episcopal Church, the American branch of the Anglican Communion, the world's third largest church body, with 77 million members. She was elected to succeed Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold, who will retire in November when his nine-year term ends.
At the last general convention, in 2003, the church consented to the election of an openly gay man, the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, as bishop of New Hampshire. The decision deeply offended some Episcopalians in the United States and many Anglican primates abroad, who saw it as blatant disregard of Scripture. Since then, some United States congregations have left the Episcopal Church, and primates overseas have threatened schism.
Bishop Jefferts Schori supported Bishop Robinson's election in 2003, and the Episcopal Diocese of Nevada permits the blessing of same-sex unions. Moreover, that Bishop Jefferts Schori is a woman could further strain relations with three dioceses in the United States and many Anglican provinces that refuse to ordain women as priests and bishops, critics of the vote said Sunday.
But Bishop Jefferts Schori held out hope of mending any breaks that her election or previous positions on issues might cause.
"Alienation is often a function of not knowing another human being," she said at a news conference after her election. "I have good relations with almost all the other bishops, those who agree and those who don't agree with me. I will bend over backwards to build good relations with those who don't agree with me."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's election was a crowning moment in her meteoric rise in the Episcopal Church. She was ordained just 12 years ago, after leaving a career as an oceanographer.
"I'm thrilled," said the Rev. Susan Russell, the director of Integrity, an advocacy group for gay and lesbian Episcopalians. "I'm a cradle Episcopalian. I remember when there were no women priests. I remember when they said the church was going to split over the ordination of women."
But some at the general convention said Bishop Jefferts Schori's lack of experience as a church leader, especially of a large diocese, would be tested by the tensions her denomination.
"Can she run a big ship of state?" asked the Rev. William L. Sachs, director of research at the Episcopal Church Foundation, the church's analysis arm. "She is certainly smart enough, and she gets it. But can she translate that into an actual program?"
Some critics were quick to focus on her sex, asserting that her election was an affront to others in the denomination who opposed the ordination of women. They described it as further evidence of the church's drift from the shared beliefs of the greater Anglican Communion.
"In many ways the election speaks for itself," Bishop Robert W. Duncan Jr. of Pittsburgh said in a statement. Bishop Duncan is the moderator of the Anglican Communion Network, a theologically conservative group of Episcopal dioceses. "For the Anglican Communion worldwide, this election reveals the continuing insensitivity and disregard of the Episcopal Church for the present dynamics of our global fellowship."
Bishop Jefferts Schori will be the 26th presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church. As such, she will represent the church in meetings with other Anglican leaders from around the world and with leaders of other religious groups. But her powers are limited because of the Episcopal Church's tradition of autonomy for its dioceses, including the right to elect their own bishops.
That regard for autonomy has allowed three dioceses — those in Quincy, Ill.; Fort Worth; and San Joaquin, Calif. — to resist the ordination of women. In Quincy, at least, Bishop Jefferts Schori will not be welcome, said the Rev. H. W. Herrmann, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church there.
"Just like we can't use grape juice and saltines for Communion, because it isn't the right matter, we do not believe that the right matter is being offered here," Mr. Herrmann said in an interview on Sunday.
But no issue facing Bishop Jefferts Schori is likely to be as daunting as the fight over ordaining gay bishops.
In October 2004, a committee appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, issued a report to head off a possible schism over the sexuality debate. That document, called the Windsor Report, recommended that the Episcopal Church apologize for the consecration of Bishop Robinson, stop blessing gay couples and place a moratorium on the election of gay bishops.
Bishop Jefferts Schori served on a commission that responded to the Windsor Report with recommendations that were less stringent. A committee at the general convention has been struggling to amend those recommendations, which have yet to come to a vote.
Bishop Jefferts Schori's role on the commission has only increased the suspicion of some critics.
"Her gender has to be combined with her response to Windsor," said the Rev. Dr. Kendall Harmon, a critic of the church and theologian-in-residence at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Summerville, S.C. Speaking of other Anglican primates, he said, "Their anxiety will be focused less on her gender than her theology."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's parents were Catholics, both of them scientists, who joined the Episcopal Church when she was 9. She also began her career as a scientist, earning an undergraduate degree in marine biology from Stanford and a master's and a doctorate in oceanography from Oregon State University.
She said she began thinking about the ministry about 15 years ago at the urging of others in her parish in Oregon. In 1994, she received a master's of divinity from the School of the Pacific in Berkeley, Calif., and she was ordained as a deacon of the Good Samaritan Church in Corvallis, Ore. Seven years later, she was elected bishop of the Nevada diocese.
28354. jexster - 6/19/2006 4:14:52 PM LONDON (Reuters) - Anglicans faced stark divisions on Monday after a woman radical took over the U.S. branch and an English Bishop warned that Anglicanism was in danger of splitting into "two religions."
ecclesial for LEZBEAN 28355. Adam Selene - 6/20/2006 12:22:09 AM lol - slightly different take across the pond, isn't it?
Must be that Da Vinci code thing goin' on. Women gettin' too big for their britches. :) 28356. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:40:56 AM New US church leader says homosexuality no sin Reuters
 28357. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:41:51 AM Naaa ...same take there's same split over there 28358. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:43:15 AM She went to Church Divinity School of the Pacific for seminary....Memory serves she's attended mass at my parish B4...but memory don't serve quite as well as it used to so am seeking confirmation 28359. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:48:49 AM I still say she drinks from the Fuzzy Bowl (daAlG Show)
The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.
Daughter prolly does 2!28360. jexster - 6/20/2006 2:45:46 AM A Professor from Notre Dame explained it this way Adam - The same dividing line between gender and sexuality in the Church exist in all Western religions today - Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, Orthodox, Methodists, Jews etc.
A Reformed Jewish congregation with a female rebbe is more likly to be gay inclusive.
An Orthodox Yid congregation with Rebbe DredLocks, homophobe
Those who elevate women to equal positions in their churches, synagogues are more likely to favor woman's right to choose, gays etc.
Where the notion comes from that Believers are somehow not in the same world, I have no idea 28361. jexster - 6/20/2006 3:30:54 AM The PlanetOut.com headline reads;
More Anglican Drama
 28362. Adam Selene - 6/21/2006 2:21:03 AM you mean... tolerance begats tolerance? Whew! what a novel concept. Thank god I'm, er, athiest? 28363. wonkers2 - 6/21/2006 3:08:39 PM Cap'n Dirty sez, "Too bad they didn't pick more of a looker fer the first head of the Episcopal Church. If she looked more like Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie she might've gone over better."
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