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28353. jexster - 6/19/2006 3:56:55 AM Habemus Primette
Woman Is Named Episcopal Leader
COLUMBUS, Ohio, June 18 — The Episcopal Church elected Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori of Nevada as its presiding bishop on Sunday, making her the first woman to lead a church in the history of the worldwide Anglican Communion.
Many of the Episcopalians gathered here for the church's triennial general convention cheered the largely unexpected choice of Bishop Jefferts Schori, 52, the lone woman candidate in a field of seven and one of the youngest vying for the job. Her election was a milestone for the Episcopal Church, which began ordaining women only in 1976.
She takes on her new responsibilities at a particularly fraught moment in the history of the Episcopal Church, the American branch of the Anglican Communion, the world's third largest church body, with 77 million members. She was elected to succeed Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold, who will retire in November when his nine-year term ends.
At the last general convention, in 2003, the church consented to the election of an openly gay man, the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, as bishop of New Hampshire. The decision deeply offended some Episcopalians in the United States and many Anglican primates abroad, who saw it as blatant disregard of Scripture. Since then, some United States congregations have left the Episcopal Church, and primates overseas have threatened schism.
Bishop Jefferts Schori supported Bishop Robinson's election in 2003, and the Episcopal Diocese of Nevada permits the blessing of same-sex unions. Moreover, that Bishop Jefferts Schori is a woman could further strain relations with three dioceses in the United States and many Anglican provinces that refuse to ordain women as priests and bishops, critics of the vote said Sunday.
But Bishop Jefferts Schori held out hope of mending any breaks that her election or previous positions on issues might cause.
"Alienation is often a function of not knowing another human being," she said at a news conference after her election. "I have good relations with almost all the other bishops, those who agree and those who don't agree with me. I will bend over backwards to build good relations with those who don't agree with me."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's election was a crowning moment in her meteoric rise in the Episcopal Church. She was ordained just 12 years ago, after leaving a career as an oceanographer.
"I'm thrilled," said the Rev. Susan Russell, the director of Integrity, an advocacy group for gay and lesbian Episcopalians. "I'm a cradle Episcopalian. I remember when there were no women priests. I remember when they said the church was going to split over the ordination of women."
But some at the general convention said Bishop Jefferts Schori's lack of experience as a church leader, especially of a large diocese, would be tested by the tensions her denomination.
"Can she run a big ship of state?" asked the Rev. William L. Sachs, director of research at the Episcopal Church Foundation, the church's analysis arm. "She is certainly smart enough, and she gets it. But can she translate that into an actual program?"
Some critics were quick to focus on her sex, asserting that her election was an affront to others in the denomination who opposed the ordination of women. They described it as further evidence of the church's drift from the shared beliefs of the greater Anglican Communion.
"In many ways the election speaks for itself," Bishop Robert W. Duncan Jr. of Pittsburgh said in a statement. Bishop Duncan is the moderator of the Anglican Communion Network, a theologically conservative group of Episcopal dioceses. "For the Anglican Communion worldwide, this election reveals the continuing insensitivity and disregard of the Episcopal Church for the present dynamics of our global fellowship."
Bishop Jefferts Schori will be the 26th presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church. As such, she will represent the church in meetings with other Anglican leaders from around the world and with leaders of other religious groups. But her powers are limited because of the Episcopal Church's tradition of autonomy for its dioceses, including the right to elect their own bishops.
That regard for autonomy has allowed three dioceses — those in Quincy, Ill.; Fort Worth; and San Joaquin, Calif. — to resist the ordination of women. In Quincy, at least, Bishop Jefferts Schori will not be welcome, said the Rev. H. W. Herrmann, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church there.
"Just like we can't use grape juice and saltines for Communion, because it isn't the right matter, we do not believe that the right matter is being offered here," Mr. Herrmann said in an interview on Sunday.
But no issue facing Bishop Jefferts Schori is likely to be as daunting as the fight over ordaining gay bishops.
In October 2004, a committee appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, issued a report to head off a possible schism over the sexuality debate. That document, called the Windsor Report, recommended that the Episcopal Church apologize for the consecration of Bishop Robinson, stop blessing gay couples and place a moratorium on the election of gay bishops.
Bishop Jefferts Schori served on a commission that responded to the Windsor Report with recommendations that were less stringent. A committee at the general convention has been struggling to amend those recommendations, which have yet to come to a vote.
Bishop Jefferts Schori's role on the commission has only increased the suspicion of some critics.
"Her gender has to be combined with her response to Windsor," said the Rev. Dr. Kendall Harmon, a critic of the church and theologian-in-residence at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Summerville, S.C. Speaking of other Anglican primates, he said, "Their anxiety will be focused less on her gender than her theology."
Bishop Jefferts Schori's parents were Catholics, both of them scientists, who joined the Episcopal Church when she was 9. She also began her career as a scientist, earning an undergraduate degree in marine biology from Stanford and a master's and a doctorate in oceanography from Oregon State University.
She said she began thinking about the ministry about 15 years ago at the urging of others in her parish in Oregon. In 1994, she received a master's of divinity from the School of the Pacific in Berkeley, Calif., and she was ordained as a deacon of the Good Samaritan Church in Corvallis, Ore. Seven years later, she was elected bishop of the Nevada diocese.
28354. jexster - 6/19/2006 4:14:52 PM LONDON (Reuters) - Anglicans faced stark divisions on Monday after a woman radical took over the U.S. branch and an English Bishop warned that Anglicanism was in danger of splitting into "two religions."
ecclesial for LEZBEAN 28355. Adam Selene - 6/20/2006 12:22:09 AM lol - slightly different take across the pond, isn't it?
Must be that Da Vinci code thing goin' on. Women gettin' too big for their britches. :) 28356. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:40:56 AM New US church leader says homosexuality no sin Reuters
 28357. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:41:51 AM Naaa ...same take there's same split over there 28358. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:43:15 AM She went to Church Divinity School of the Pacific for seminary....Memory serves she's attended mass at my parish B4...but memory don't serve quite as well as it used to so am seeking confirmation 28359. jexster - 6/20/2006 12:48:49 AM I still say she drinks from the Fuzzy Bowl (daAlG Show)
The 52-year-old bishop is married to Richard Schori, a retired theoretical mathematician. They have one daughter, Katharine Johanna, 24, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and a pilot like her mother.
Daughter prolly does 2!28360. jexster - 6/20/2006 2:45:46 AM A Professor from Notre Dame explained it this way Adam - The same dividing line between gender and sexuality in the Church exist in all Western religions today - Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, Orthodox, Methodists, Jews etc.
A Reformed Jewish congregation with a female rebbe is more likly to be gay inclusive.
An Orthodox Yid congregation with Rebbe DredLocks, homophobe
Those who elevate women to equal positions in their churches, synagogues are more likely to favor woman's right to choose, gays etc.
Where the notion comes from that Believers are somehow not in the same world, I have no idea 28361. jexster - 6/20/2006 3:30:54 AM The PlanetOut.com headline reads;
More Anglican Drama
 28362. Adam Selene - 6/21/2006 2:21:03 AM you mean... tolerance begats tolerance? Whew! what a novel concept. Thank god I'm, er, athiest? 28363. wonkers2 - 6/21/2006 3:08:39 PM Cap'n Dirty sez, "Too bad they didn't pick more of a looker fer the first head of the Episcopal Church. If she looked more like Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie she might've gone over better." 28364. jexster - 6/21/2006 5:14:45 PM Yes indeed...there are fag bashers everywhere..even in the Michigan Gov mansion. 28365. wonkers2 - 6/22/2006 12:59:12 AM William Sloan Coffin
"Every nation makes decisions based on self interest and then defends them in the name of morality"
"Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat."
"Love measures our stature: the more we love the bigger we are. There is no smaller package in all the world than that of a man all wrapped up in himself."
Harper's July 2006 28366. jexster - 6/22/2006 5:09:41 PM 'End Times' Religious Groups Want Apocalypse Soon
'End times' religious groups want apocalypse sooner than later, and they're relying on high tech -- and red heifers -- to hasten its arrival.
That crowd got left behind alright. When the Almighty was passing out the brains, His just-in-time inventory system broke down.
 28367. jexster - 6/30/2006 4:22:47 AM If at first you don't succeed - Fr. Michael as I reported tried and failed in his shot at Diocesan...sheesh we might lose our rector
From a report on the four Episcopal dioceses seeking communion with another archbishopric
In fact, on Wednesday, the Diocese of Newark, N.J., nominated as a finalist to become its next bishop the Very Rev. Canon Michael Barlowe, who is gay and lives with his partner in San Francisco. Barlowe, congregational development officer for the Diocese of California, declined comment through a spokesman.
 28368. wonkers2 - 7/20/2006 3:22:06 AM How can anyone say they take the Bible literally?Leviticus on Slavery 28369. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:50:19 PM Since Islam is in the news so much these days, I am going to post some pictures and information about it.
This picture was sent to Dr. Homa Darabi from a woman in Iran.This picture was taken 20 days after she was lashed fifty times for being present at a family gathering where men other than her father and brother were present. Her crime? She is a single woman. It is forbidden for women to be present under the same roof with men other than their close relatives (father, brother and son) without proper hijab.
What is a woman's role in Islam? What are her rewards and punishments?
According to theologians , the husband has the right to administer corporal punishment to his wife if she:
1. Refuses to make herself beautiful for him;
2. Refuses to meet his sexual demands;
3. Leaves the house without permission or without any legitimate reason recognized by law; or
4. Neglects her religious duties.
[A hadith attributes the following saying to the Prophet: "Hang up your whip where your wife can see it." There are a number of other hadiths that contradict this one. In those, Muhammad explicitly forbids men to beat their wives - in which case the Prophet himself is contradicting what the Koran, enshrining divine law, permits.] remember the principle of nasikh....
28370. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:51:00 PM Life for the observany Muslim woman:
I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is twelve months of 28 days each or 336 days) or, when I am actually 8 years and 8 months old, I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.
I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones.
Islam's law - that Allah sent down to his messenger Muhammad - came to announce that women (exactly like men) are full human beings. Women (like men) are therefore required to follow the way appointed by Allah.
"A woman (like a man) is therefore obligated with all three degrees of this religion: Islam (outward submission to Allah), iman (inward faith in Allah), and ihsan (perfection of worship of Allah)".
"Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but men have a (single) degree above them". The Koran 2:228
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights". The Koran 4:34
Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust.
"If a man and a woman are alone in one place, the third person present is the devil". Prophet Mohammed
I am not allowed to swim, ski, ride a bike, dance, learn to play musical instruments, practice gymnastics, or any other sport. I am not even permitted to watch men play sports, either in the stadium and/or on television.
I am not permitted to participate in Olympic games.
From age 7, I am segregated from all males in and out of my extended family.
My father, grandfather, uncles, brothers or my male cousins are not allowed to be present at any ceremonies for my accomplishments. They will not be allowed to participate in my birthday parties.
I have to study under female teachers and professors. However, since women of prior generations were not allowed to go to school, there are not that many qualified women teachers and professors. Male professors must teach me from behind a wall.
I am to be treated by female doctors. Go to female dentists. And if there are none, then I have to go without or I must be examined through some sort of divider.
I am not allowed to practice birth control or have abortions, even if carrying or having a child means I have to die.
My worth is based on the Islamic Laws of Retribution, 24th edition, December 1982, as half of a man. It doesn't matter who I am, how educated I am, and what earning potential I may have in my life. My worth is half of a man, any man.
28371. Jenerator - 7/25/2006 5:52:37 PM According to clauses 33 and 91 of the law in respect, Qasas (The Islamic Retribution Bill) and its boundaries, the value of woman is considered only half as much as the value of a man.
Article 1: dieh or blood money paid to the victim or next of kin for as compensation for bodily injury or murder of a relative.
The Islamic Law of Retribution
In the old Islamic laws, recently placed into practice by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.
The clause number 6 regarding the dieh (cash value of the fine) states that the cash fine for murdering a woman intentionally or unintentionally is half as much as for a man. The same clause adds that if a man intentionally murders a woman and the guardian of the woman himself is not able to pay half of the Dieh (the value of 50 camels or 100 cows, the difference between the value of a man to that of a woman's life) to the murderer, the murderer will be exempted from retribution.
New Legal Standing: Pursuant to article 85 of the constitution, the Islamic penal code was implemented in December 1981. According to article 300, blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman. The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female. For example, article 237 of the penal code states that first degree murder must be proven by testimony of two just men and evidence for second-degree murder or manslaughter requires the testimony of two just men, or one just man and two just women, or of one just man and the accuser.
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It goes on and on. 28372. Macnas - 7/25/2006 5:56:35 PM Whats that got to do with the price of bacon?
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