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286. glendajean - 9/20/1999 5:25:25 AM Angel -- I don't remember Paradigm coming back and repeating his behavior over and over after he was banned. I assume Squids came back (he said so in tt). But he never issued the other fraygrants name again after he was banned.
287. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:26:10 AM
I think we probably should allow only "legit" e-mail addresses. Why not?
That might not completely solve it, but it goes a long way. 288. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 5:27:24 AM And, no, I don't subscribe to the notion that you should run and plug your finger in the dam even though it won't stop the flood. The point is to go get a boat, because floods happen, and to try to find a way to live that isn't so susceptible to something that will ALWAYS unfortunately happen in ANY forum where anonymity is allowed. 289. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:27:31 AM
Hey Angel Genius:
What do you think about your "judgement" that the cipher was "too short a code sample to solve" now?
No point erring on the side of caution, after all. 290. glendajean - 9/20/1999 5:28:16 AM Sorry, but your boat and flood metaphors washed right over me. 291. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:28:18 AM
Once again I'm getting angry at Angel.
I wonder if this gives me the right to out some very sensitive information about him? 292. glendajean - 9/20/1999 5:29:02 AM No, it means calm down and come back when you're not angry. 293. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 5:29:25 AM GJ: I wasn't here for Squids, though it's my impression that he came in more than once and posted info and had it deleted and his new name stricken. And it kept up til he got bored, or repented, or whatever the hell he did.
I can assure you, however, that BullE did return. Tobey008 and Momof3, among others, were ids that he used in the past, and they were ids that posted after Paradigm's banning. 294. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:29:39 AM
Glenda:
I don't know. Coral suggested that it was okay if I was in a "heated, fast-moving" discussion. 295. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 5:31:02 AM Actually, Ace, I saw one person post a list of several different first names that would have fit into the cipher. So even though I will no longer allow ciphers, my original point stands and if you need to argue it with someone, find someone else. I'm content to let it speak for itself. 296. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 5:33:01 AM GlendaJean: It washed right over you?
Right. anyway, the point is that it's stupid to stick to a half measure that you know doesn't work in the end. You're wasting energy that you could spend trying to find other solutions that WILL work. 297. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:33:10 AM
Angel:
The point is that you were dead wrong, and that you made an arrogant, erroneous, and indefensible "judgement" which hurt Cal. You haven't apologized to her for your arrogance. You've admitted that, PERHAPS, you ought to have deleted the "cipher" sooner.
Ciphers are fair game, though, aren't they? 298. glendajean - 9/20/1999 5:35:37 AM Not only do I not recognize those two monikers, I think it is safe to say that they didn't paralyze the fray like Paradigm did. So banning worked in all those instances. When they returned, they quit the offensive behavior. 299. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 5:38:58 AM When in doubt, dissemble?
IAC, I'm going to voluntarily end this conversation and save us another five hundred posts worth of your righteous, opportune outrage. I may be back later so if you've something different to add, I won't be hard to find. 300. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:39:45 AM
So even though I will no longer allow ciphers
You should no longer be allowed to host threads, at least not without a Baby-sitting co-host to monitor you. 301. Ace of Spades - 9/20/1999 5:40:24 AM
Where's the dissembling, Angel? Explain what I've said that's wrong. 302. KuligintheHooligan - 9/20/1999 5:42:21 AM Judith, not more than two weeks ago, I didn't even know 'God' existed. So I don't have any influence over him. The entire 'revelation' was quite accidental actually. 303. JudithAtHome - 9/20/1999 5:48:37 AM Kuligan:
I'm sorry, I was under the impression you knew him quite well but I see now that misunderstanding came from what he said rather than from you. (That should have been my first clue.)
304. alistairconnor - 9/20/1999 7:12:24 AM I fixed the registered users list so that it only shows IDs that are current, i.e. not to show banned IDs. 305. arkymalarky - 9/20/1999 7:18:00 AM I'm not sure why there's all the hand-wringing about this forum's fate. I think it's been very successful and the problems that have arisen are being dealt with. Not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome, but that's never the case. Everything will not be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, and the personality clashes which have existed will continue to exist. But I think most of us agree on the basics. Everyone's right to privacy should be respected. There's nothing hard about that concept. What should be done about it is a decision that I don't think will be that hard to determine for the future because of the challenges that have been faced in the beginning.
I hope no one leaves this forum based on the few incidents that have occurred without seeing all the great things going on here. We already have a number of new posters, and some great poetry and short stories and other compositions, including the diaries from Marj's thread, have been produced in a relatively short time. We have the coolest sports area on the net, if people's comments there are any indication. Don't allow one person with a vendetta, or a dispute over how to handle a given action, allow you to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" as I read someone post earlier.
I saw some very upsetting things happen in the Old Fray. They will happen in any forum where people spend very much time interacting. But what I got from it, even to the end, was of value to me. I learn more and enjoy myself more here than any other place on the net. I thoroughly appreciate the sacrifices of those who've made this place possible, and every time I see a new feature, like this private thread, I'm impressed all over again. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not going anywhere.
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