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28708. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:53:12 AM Don't let Jen and TD Jew You!
Also, "irrationality" of Islam is a generic Orientalist stereotype, Edward Said discussed this issue in length. Everybody familiar with Said-Lewis debate, will instantly recognize on whose side the proponent of "irrational" Islam must be, of course, he must share the Lewis-Pipes model of the Muslim world. This perfectly explains the fierce rejection of Pope's remarks by even the most moderate Muslims. Of course, they don't want to have anything in common with Lewis and Pipes!
To make things even worse, this unfortunate text does not include any explicit assessment of the Crusades, but Crusader rhetoric of Manuel II is reproduced as is. The problem is, this is exactly what hyper-radical Qutbist Islamists are talking about - "fighting the Crusaders" is well known to be their main ideological objective. So, the Pope gave both them and the hard neocons exactly what they wanted - confirmation that Catholic Church is not that far from direct endorsement of the neoconservative course in the ME.
Now we can remember the vicious anti-Catholic campaign that came from NYT and GU columnists in the end of John Paul II era, since 2003 - all the "pedophilia", "sexism" and "opposition to condoms" hype. Looking backwards, it is hard to avoid the sad conclusion that liberals acted as useful idiots for the neocons whose real goal was to bully Vatican into submission.
Considering the US electoral politics, the unfortunate Manuel II debate appears to be a perfect gift for the GOP, they desperately need something like second stage of Muhammad cartoons scandal to compensate the negative impact of disaster in Iraq on their poll numbers. Republicans never neglect symbolic moves this, that's their typical mode of operation.
Gurdian's Giles Fraser gives wonderfully clear description of Pope's position - that's Christian triumphalism. Sure, it is! Knowing actual situation of Manuel II, it makes sense to add that this triumphalism is 100% fake, so there is a deep irony in Pope's decision to use this particular example to make his point
Cole 28709. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:54:00 AM From the same bloody fools who having lost their demon Saddam are like sheep without a shepherd 28710. concerned - 11/1/2006 12:54:08 AM jexster - Speak for yourself - you're the only one here who indulges in racial slurs. 28711. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:54:37 AM Gotta have somebody to hate, to demonize...hallmark of a fascist. 28712. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:57:37 AM George Bush has killed 1/2 million people in 3 years - more than Saddam did in 25.
But unlike Saddam - who really was a fascist - he did so in the Name of God.
The war on Iraq would be a defeat for humanity. ...
Blessed John Paul II 28713. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:58:16 AM I don't like right wing Zionist jew assholes TD.
You say jews are a "race"? 28714. concerned - 11/1/2006 12:58:22 AM You should know - you seem to be kissing up to every hater of the US in the world. 28715. jexster - 11/1/2006 12:59:12 AM America has been jewed, screwed, tattoo'ed blue in the nude by Israeli right wing Jew fascists and TD is but their little toady 28716. jexster - 11/1/2006 1:01:23 AM I just hate Bushevik murderers who wrap their sorry crimes in Old Glory
If that means I hate the USA, as you say...
You know what that makes you?
Among the Muslims there is NO CULT of OSAMA
28717. jexster - 11/1/2006 1:09:50 AM Dr. Tariq Ramadan with A radical idea:
How Muslims can be European, too
Pretty sorry when you think about it. Slandering the second largest religion on the planet, a religion with 1500 years of tradition and deep belief, and all because some people are so insecure in their own spirituality and sense of self that they cannot survive without an "other" to hate 28718. concerned - 11/1/2006 1:33:18 AM Give me a break with your precious Islam.
Lefties love to slander Christianity - you slander Jews every chance you get, jexster. 28719. concerned - 11/1/2006 1:35:40 AM So what, jexster? Nazis also had 'deep belief' and god knows how much 'Aryan tradition'. That, and their disregard for human rights which they shared with Muslims, is what made them so bad for the world. 28720. jexster - 11/1/2006 1:49:14 AM That's right...and you have a deep belief in George W. Bush 28721. jexster - 11/1/2006 1:49:48 AM The Islamists are anarchists not fascists
You are fascist
They are anarchists. 28722. concerned - 11/1/2006 4:13:23 AM I'm less a fascist than you, by definition. You clearly don't know what a fascist is. Why don't you go and make friends with some of your Islamofascist heroes? 28723. concerned - 11/1/2006 4:14:39 AM Anarchists are supremely impractical people. That cannot be said of those who embrace fundamentalist Islamofascism. 28724. concerned - 11/1/2006 4:16:03 AM Fascism is a variant of socialism, and nobody would call me a socialist. However, many would call jexster a socialist who is in bed with Islamofascists. 28725. concerned - 11/1/2006 4:17:09 AM I'd defend any religious belief even an atheist against racist slurs
Must be a titanic internal struggle then.
28726. jexster - 11/1/2006 4:18:24 AM No
Fascism is a militaristic xenophobic mass movement of big capital aka corporatism, aka crony capitalism
Krupp
AG Farben
Halliburton
I am not calling you a fascist, but tou are more of a fascist than Osama is that's for damn sure
He is an anarchist 28727. jexster - 11/1/2006 4:19:26 AM Boner Patrol
I don't "slander Christianity" - That's a lie
I am a practicing Catholic Christian
You aren't
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