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29118. jexster - 9/22/2008 1:36:04 AM "Christening" is a synonym for infant baptism. Godparents and parents christen the child..the baptism is effective and its covenants affirmed as a rite of passage in the sacrament of confirmation where the confirmand accepts the promises made on her behalf at baptism
ie The Baptismal Covenant aka the Apostles Creed
The Baptismal Covenant
Celebrant Do you believe in God the Father?
People I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
Celebrant Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
People I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.....
Celebrant Do you believe in God the Holy Spirit?
People I believe in the Holy Spirit...
Celebrant Will you continue in the apostles' teaching and
fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and
in the prayers...
Etc
29119. jexster - 9/22/2008 1:42:20 AM You probably remember this from the closing scene of the Godfather....Really all that is the Catholic Faith is found in the liturgical rites of its Churches....rites/sacraments established by Jesus for his Church
Question Do you renounce Satan and all the spiritual forces of
wickedness that rebel against God?
Answer I renounce them. 29120. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 2:35:32 AM Some Protestant denominations believe in infant baptism, but most do not. We believe baptism should be reserved for those who are old enough to have a biblical understanding of salvation, a conscious commitment to Christ and a knowledge of the significance of baptism. And while there is no biblical prohibition against infant baptism, there is no scriptural evidence promoting it!
29121. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 2:36:20 AM I try not to talk about things I know little or nothing about
Jexster, sometimes your jokes are not funny. 29122. jexster - 9/22/2008 2:59:14 AM I think this summary from Wikipedia is accurate on the subject of infant baptism:
Most Christian churches practice infant baptism.[1] Among them are the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, the Anglican Communion, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Church of the Nazarene,[2] the Reformed Church in America,[3] the United Church of Christ (UCC) and the Continental Reformed.
Groups within the Protestant tradition that reject infant baptism include Baptists, most Pentecostals, Mennonites, Amish, Community of Christ, Plymouth Brethren, Seventh-day Adventists, most non-denominational churches and other Arminian denominations. Infant baptism is also excluded by Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians and Latter-day Saints. 29123. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:20:21 AM Jenerator's fate and it isn't pretty....Outside the Holy Catholic Church Wabbit there is no salvation
Jesus said so.....Can't say that she didn't hear the Word on the Last Day.
Not good
29124. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:21:56 AM Matthew 16
He said to them, ‘But who do you say that I am?’ 16Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Messiah,* the Son of the living God.’ 17And Jesus answered him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you, you are Peter,* and on this rock* I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.’
John 15
Jesus the True Vine
15‘I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine-grower. 2He removes every branch in me that bears no fruit. Every branch that bears fruit he prunes* to make it bear more fruit. 3You have already been cleansed* by the word that I have spoken to you. 4Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who abide in me and I in them bear much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing. 6Whoever does not abide in me is thrown away like a branch and withers; such branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
John 6
I am the Bread of Life
29126. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:27:46 AM I Am the Bread of Life (Samoan Choir) Cardinal Pio's Funeral
29127. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:32:06 AM Jexster,
I am a Christian, so why do you think I am going to hell? 29128. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:32:46 AM Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Poor Jenerator...She's put herself outside Holy Mother Church
You're in much better shape Wabbit
If I get the chance next sat, I shall ask Cardinal Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
But I am pretty sure 29129. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:34:13 AM I cannot say that you are going to Hell Jen..that would be a blashephemy..a grave sin
The Holy Mother Church canonizes, it does not condemn.
I am teasing you..I think 29130. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:36:54 AM Well, you and I both will have to stand before Christ and account for our actions and words. Neither of us deserve mercy. 29131. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:38:02 AM You have however mocked the True Cross; Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar, and the Great Mother of God, Mary Most Holy..
Not good 29132. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:39:54 AM Jexster,
I would like the scriptural evidence for the Immaculate Conception. Can you please show it to me. 29133. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:40:50 AM You have however mocked the True Cross;
Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar, and the Great Mother of God, Mary Most Holy..
Unless YOU are claiming to be those things, you do not know what you're talking about.
29134. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:41:30 AM Going back to Mary, I would really appreciate it if you would show me the scriptural evidence for the Immaculate Conception. 29135. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:41:56 AM We all receive mercy...children by adoption and grace..by His merits not our own
That's what it is all about
29136. jexster - 9/22/2008 3:44:14 AM Luke 1:28 29137. Jenerator - 9/22/2008 3:46:26 AM Luke 1:28 - And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Okay, so where does that claim she was without sin?
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