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29207. anomie - 9/23/2008 10:35:22 PM I don't speak for Jen, but most "trinitarians" believe Jesus IS God. The distinction is not so much in the person but the personality. Besides, Jen rarely answers questions anyway. 29208. vonKreedon - 9/23/2008 11:01:27 PM Jen asks, IMO, a fair question as to what source documents there are for allegation that Mary was without sin. Since Jen is a Protestant Fundamentalist the only valid source documents are the Old and New Testaments and there does not appear to be any foundation in those docs for the belief that Mary was without sin. So the Catholic doctrine of the Blessed Virgin is not Biblically based, well, other than the Virgin Birth bit, but rather part of the ongoing divine revelation to various saints and Popes.
Certainly the Catholics can come to their beliefs as they wish, as can the Protestants, but Jen's question is clear and fair. 29209. anomie - 9/23/2008 11:13:01 PM Yes, her question is fair. Her implication that the doctrines in question are less valid or true, is pretense and arrogance. 29210. vonKreedon - 9/23/2008 11:24:02 PM Well, pretty much any belief that one's doctrines are valid and true is going to contain at least smidge of belief that other doctrines are invalid and untrue. This seems particularly so with doctrines of the divine and salvation/punishment. Jex is no less pretentious and arrogant in his beliefs. 29211. anomie - 9/24/2008 12:44:00 AM True, and I'm not certain about this, but I don't think Catholics insist that their God will condemn others who don't believe and act the way they do. They give God the option to do as he pleases. Jen's crowd keeps God trapped within the idol, which is of course, the bible. In Jen's view, the bible (or certain interpretations of it) is the authority, not God, not the church. Baptists are like the Israelites in the desert who needed a statue to contain, and thus limit their childish idea of a deity. Baptists like to be in total control of their God, so they carry him around in a leather, zippered case, and dog-ear the pages. And they make many, many copies. 29212. Jenerator - 9/26/2008 2:38:29 AM Sorry for my absence the last couple of days. My husband was diagnosed with acute diverticulitis. I thought I might have to take him to the hospital today but he keeps refusing. He's pretty much incapacitated, but until he's in enough pain, I guess he's willling to suffer.
29213. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 2:10:05 PM Can anybody of you religious gurus tell me the origin of the "life begins at conception" doctrine? 29214. anomie - 9/26/2008 3:25:15 PM Here's to a speedy recovery, Jen. Sorry to hear it. 29215. anomie - 9/26/2008 3:26:21 PM W2, I don't know about the origin, but it seems a necessary position if one is to oppose abortion at whatever term. 29216. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 10:25:09 PM It does. However, I wonder which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did somebody dream up the concept that a human being worthy of protection under any and all circumstances begins at the instant of conception in order to support an absolute prohibition of abortion. Or did the crusade to prohibit an abortion under any circumstances grow out of some Christian dogma about the sanctity of zygotes? And of course the same reasoning is used to prohibit potentially life saving embryonic stem cell research. Some of these same people are staunch supporters of capital punishment and needless wars in which thousands of innocent people are slaughtered.
Jen, I, too wish your husband a speedy and complete recovery. 29217. anomie - 9/26/2008 10:33:41 PM A complete guess on my part, but I would bet on the first option. I suspect it stems from the days when the church thought God was in control of everyone's destiny. I'm also thinking this may be why so many woman died giving birth, instead of sacrificing the child. 29218. anomie - 9/26/2008 10:35:25 PM You know...father gets a son. Woman dies. God's will. 29219. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 11:18:41 PM Hmmh. 29220. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:19:33 PM Someone's goin to Church but don't know it yet!
Blessing of the beasts..10-12 St Francis Day Sat
29221. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:20:17 PM You know...father gets a son. Woman dies. God's will
You have something against making God happy? 29222. Jenerator - 10/3/2008 4:17:29 AM Thanks for the well wishes, all. My husband is doing better now. He had a reaction to the antibiotics, but they 3rd round helped!
He is now eating better - well, sort of. He's having more fiber. 29223. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:38:52 AM Witchcraft
 29224. Jenerator - 10/3/2008 4:42:20 AM Mysticism is paganism, Jexster. Read up on your mystic, swooning nuns. 29225. judithathome - 10/3/2008 10:55:03 AM Jen, diverticulitis is no joke. I hope he's doing much better. But tell him to avoid popcorn, wasabi peas, raw broccoli, corn on the cob, and the harder types of nuts from here on out because they can all trigger attacks...at least they have in me.
The bad thing about this stuff is, short of having part of your colon removed, there is nothing you can do about it except change your diet. And hurt like hell when an attack hits. 29226. thoughtful - 10/3/2008 2:41:50 PM My hubby had diverticulitis and ended up in the hospital on iv antibiotics, but he's been fine ever since. We eat a diet rich in fiber, he takes metamucil daily and we drink lots of water....important for keeping things moving.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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