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46210. arkymalarky - 2/15/2016 6:53:52 AM First they came for the Religious Right, but I said nothing because I didn't like Falwell either. Then they came for the birthers, but I said nothing because anything to keep Trump out of the White House, then they came for the Freepers.... 46211. iiibbb - 2/15/2016 6:35:02 PM They also came for some of the Mormon recently... but the Mormons were armed and at least one had a death wish. 46212. judithathome - 2/16/2016 1:01:48 AM So Trump is hinting he may go Independent if the Republicans don't treat him "fairly"....hello, Ralph Nadar time! 46213. Trillium - 2/16/2016 7:55:56 AM Mormons appear to be highly active, politically
Reid tells BYU crowd that socially responsible Dems mirror Mormon values
By Sheena McFarland
The Salt Lake Tribune
Published October 9, 2007 1:41 pm
"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Brigham Young University students...'My faith and political beliefs are deeply intertwined. I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it,' he told a gathering of over 4,000 at the Marriott Center.
"But Nevada's senior senator says he also hopes votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney are "determined by his political stands, and not his religion." 46214. Ms. No - 2/19/2016 12:00:48 AM I would LOVE for Trump to go Independent -- it would split the Radical Right and almost assure a Democratic win.
Of course, I also wish Bernie would come to his senses and start looking at being Clinton's VP.
I say have Bernie as VP to guard against the eleventy-million ridiculous attempts there would be to remove Hillary Clinton from office. There's no point in trying to impeach Clinton if the VP is equally despised by the Radicals. 46215. arkymalarky - 2/19/2016 6:30:23 AM Haha! True! I could handle all this a lot better if the Gop weren't such pathetically sore losers. They absolutely cannot accept it. 46216. Ms. No - 2/19/2016 6:00:40 PM The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get different results.
The problem is that they get some really loud, minority traction from being hateful and telling lies that ignorant, fearful, angry people want to hear. So, the more they pay to hear and encourage those voices and broadcast those voices, the more they believe that those voices are the vast majority of Americans clamoring out for the good old days of publicly celebrated racism, bigotry, and faith-based bullying.
With this crop of candidates, they've doubled down on the crazy. I just hope they won't manage to buy the country out from under the vast majority of moderates, but a billion-plus dollars goes a long way. 46217. judithathome - 2/19/2016 9:54:40 PM It would help a LOT if Dems bothered to vote in Congressional elections! 46218. Ms. No - 2/20/2016 5:18:08 PM True dat. 46219. robertjayb - 2/23/2016 10:37:05 PM Think Ted Cruz is a bit too much? Listen to Pop.
Here's the story, according to Rafael Cruz:
My son Ted and his family spent six months in prayer seeking God's will for this decision. But the day the final green light came on, the whole family was together. It was a Sunday. We were all at his church, First Baptist Church in Houston, including his senior staff. After the church service, we all gathered at the pastor's office. We were on our knees for two hours seeking God's will. At the end of that time, a word came through his wife, Heidi. And the word came, just saying, "Seek God's face, not God's hand." And I'll tell you, it was as if there was a cloud of the holy spirit filling that place. Some of us were weeping, and Ted just looked up and said, "Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want." And he felt that was a green light to move forward.
(Mother Jones)
46220. iiibbb - 2/23/2016 11:02:13 PM Well... hopefully the Lord uses him as an example. 46221. winstonsmith - 2/24/2016 5:29:07 AM "Seek Gods Face, not Gods hand" - WTF, I feel like the poor Axis radio operators in WWII who were stymied by Native American code talkers. It's gibberish to me. 46222. Ms. No - 2/24/2016 5:38:32 PM I'm guessing, but I think it means act in a way that will please God, don't wait for God to act for you. 46223. winstonsmith - 2/24/2016 7:14:43 PM I suppose that's right. It just seems like undignified and disingenuous pandering to me and yet there must be voters that are tuned into that station and buying it.
"Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want."
It sounds like he is waiting to be mounted. 46224. judithathome - 2/24/2016 9:11:40 PM Obama vets Gov. Mark Sandoval(R) of Nevada for Supreme Court nominee.
Let the Republicans get in a snit over THAT....! And refuse to vote him in...let Hillary win the Presidency and choose Bernie Sanders to fill the vacancy!! 46225. winstonsmith - 2/25/2016 1:46:18 AM Trump should start hitting Rubio as "Bought And Paid For" by the Republican establishment. As the Republican endorsements continue to roll in for Rubio ahead of Super Tuesday, I think it would be an effective strategy for him.
Yes, I am rooting for Trump. I think he can be beaten in the general election. 46226. winstonsmith - 2/25/2016 1:47:32 AM Judith, yes, Sandoval seems like a great strategy. 46227. Trillium - 2/25/2016 3:50:59 AM Cruz is reported to belong to "Dominionist" practices ("Dominionists" don't like their label though)
“Dominion Theology or Dominionism is the idea that Christians should work toward either a nation governed by Christians or one governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.” –Oct 12, 2013
"Ted Cruz, Dominionism and Jesus" | JONATHAN TURLEY
Ted Cruz, Dominionism and Jesus"
There are problems with any movement that works towards closely meshing church and state: that includes Christian Dominionism, Sharia law, and historical Catholic government (the Habsburg monarchy was closely allied with the Papacy for hundreds of years, and the Spanish Empire always established missions alongside their military presidios).
Ideally religious influence should care and provide for the sick, indigent and vulnerable. In reality, ambitious people will pretend to believe in ideas that they don't actually hold, but are merely using as a tool for personal advancement through public manipulation. These actors soon betray principles and use the force of their power to silence any protest that would clean up the corruption.
Creativity and free communication get stifled in all this, and the church/mosque/state combo soon falls behind socially because too much energy has to be devoted to covering and protecting numerous lies.
Ted Cruz' appeal is very limited, even among religious conservatives (although one nice household of neighbors are sporting a "Cruz" placard in their front yard...) 46228. Trillium - 2/25/2016 4:05:35 AM The Turley article linked above quotes Chris Hedges:
"There is a desire felt by tens of millions of Americans...known as the Christian right, to destroy the intellectual and scientific rigor of the Enlightenment".. [emphasis added]
I have listened in several classes to respected university professors, Marxists who do not identify with "The Right" at all -- dismissing "Western Civilization" and "The Enlightenment" as something that they do not value. These educators usually promote "Eastern", "African", or "tribal" civilizations instead of anything "Western".
Personally, I like the changes that were wrought by The Enlightenment, and I don't want to see those values discarded: freedom of choice, autonomy of individuals (especially females) outside family/tribe; separation of religion and state.
I think Hedges has a blind spot about the non-Right population. There are plenty of people who prefer emotion, trance and drama to logical thinking, and this preference is not restricted to the Christian Right 46229. arkymalarky - 2/25/2016 5:51:48 AM My mother is VERY concerned about the Dominionists.
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