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46300. Ms. No - 3/23/2016 3:47:55 AM Hiya Jay!
Yeah, bring the neighbors! 46301. arkymalarky - 3/23/2016 5:41:26 PM Interesting, hearing Jay's very interesting conversation with Digby yesterday, then seeing the election results last night, to consider what will play out in Cleveland if Trump doesn't get the required number before then. I'll be surprised if the delegates move to cruz. I think that's why Kasich is still in. 46302. arkymalarky - 3/23/2016 7:23:22 PM Just now saw Abbey Huntsman made the walk of shame to Fox. I don't keep up very well. 46303. Ms. No - 3/23/2016 11:52:54 PM Arx,
Yeah, I've been saying for weeks that Kasich is holding on because he knows he's more palatable to the establishment than Trump. He doesn't have to win the votes, he just has to outlast Cruz.
Whether the party would get away with taking a fairly won nomination away from Trump or not is seriously in doubt, but I have a feeling they'd be much more likely to take the risk for Kasich than for Cruz. 46304. arkymalarky - 3/24/2016 2:20:41 AM Their little cogs are turning, but the Establishment's options are limited and they risk losing the Senate almost any way they choose to go. Their franken-tea creation is out of control and has turned on them. All I know is that I'm blocking off all my appointments for their convention and stocking up on popcorn. 46305. iiibbb - 3/24/2016 7:13:07 PM I wish I could enjoy it, 46306. iiibbb - 3/24/2016 7:17:52 PM I wish I could enjoy it, 46307. arkymalarky - 3/25/2016 12:29:56 AM Might as well. My dad said he hoped to live to see Hilary president, and I said--or die before Trump or Cruz is?
Everyone's jockeying for position and sending out their signals, which is funny until it's not: Trump to his base--you know you want my wife to be first lady and I'll protect you from everything scary (i.e. Different) while making you feel big and bad; Cruz--the Establishment can't take this away from the People and I'll defend fundamentalist Christianity at all costs; Kasich--I'm ready when the Establishment sees they have no choice but to hand it to me, so I will consistantly show I'm the only sane grownup in the room.
And through all of this Obama is in a stare-down with Mitch McConnell, daring him to risk losing the Senate over the SC nominee and having a legacy of blame that will last a long time. Even if they lose it anyway, he'll get the blame if he continues down that path.
I've also noted tom cotton peeking out from his rock and I wonder what that's about. 46308. iiibbb - 3/25/2016 6:47:01 PM I don't enjoy it because I find current conditions to be indicative of a trajectory for this country that is depressing. I am rooting for Hillary (or Sanders), but I know that even if they are elected it's still going to be a long haul before our country starts acting sane again.
Even on the Democratic side there are problems with people that don't know what compromise means and don't understand governance. 46309. arkymalarky - 3/26/2016 4:51:59 AM Yeah, but you have to Lance the wound and look at a lot of pus before you start to heal. And two of the biggest pustules I've ever seen in politics are Trump and Cruz. 46310. arkymalarky - 3/26/2016 4:53:49 AM I like to think that what we're seeing is painful and unsightly death of the Republican Party. I do not see how they're going to hold together as opposed to dividing into factions a Libertarian, tea party, establishment, fiscal conservatives, etcetera etcetera etcetera 46311. arkymalarky - 3/26/2016 6:46:14 PM I should say the GOP as we have known it on the national level. I don't think they can lead the Tea Party their way any more, and they already lost the loyalty of Libertarians. What will be really interesting over the next election cycle or two is how the states shift. They may keep winning at the state level, which may be fine with them, but if all they can do is block a Democratic president it would seem that people of the state and local level will get tired of not seeing anything accomplished for them. You're already seeing that. 46312. winstonsmith - 3/27/2016 12:56:44 AM I guess I am feeling pretty much like iiibbb. Hard to see an upside or a tolerable, stable end to this. People, especially Republicans, are entrenched in reflexively negative positions that are not based on facts. Too many people believe things passionately that are simply untrue.
Even if Clinton or Sanders wins, there will be no end to the toxic backlash and gridlock. The republican factions, however this shakes out, will likely join together in opposition to the new president.
Obama was as pragmatic a president as we will ever see. He was willing to compromise and solve problems and was met with nothing but calculated obstruction. It was a giant missed opportunity.
46313. arkymalarky - 3/27/2016 1:10:04 AM That kind of game can only be played so long before people get sick of it based on what's happening in their own lives. As a for instance, what we, in the boonies where I live, call a neighbor ran for some local position, got local business incentive money to his business, then ran for reelection, and his opponent, without spending a single dime or putting up any signs or calling any people ran against him. He said people know me and if they like me they'll vote for me if they don't they won't. He won handily. People are starting to feel like they've been tahken advantage of and taken for granted and they don't like it.
The GOP is risking losing the Senate, and a number of them are starting to figure that out. A lot of them are in full-blown panic over the two Frontrunners and they're running for the exits as quickly as they can. I think one possible result of that is that we might actually see some things get done before the elections. They know that if they don't do something and bring home something to show their constituents their asses are likely to be kicked to the curb in November. 46314. arkymalarky - 3/27/2016 1:12:30 AM I don't really care for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and I don't feel like the Democratic party has done enough to mobilize on the local and state level and take advantage of the presidential election season 46315. winstonsmith - 3/27/2016 1:19:50 AM Arky, I hope you are right. In any case, I think I need to let go to a degree and recognize that I have little control over how this will play out. 46316. arkymalarky - 3/27/2016 1:27:11 AM Yeah, a lot of my friends and family are the same way, and anything can happen in any election. But I go back to 2008 and seeing what was going on and really believing that this country would not elect a black man as president. I really think for people like me who live in red States, and for a number of my friends who live in very white red states, their view of people's opinions can be very depressing. 46317. winstonsmith - 3/27/2016 2:11:00 AM I live in Portland Oregon which is one of the whitest and most liberal places in the US. Bernie was here yesterday and he would have been interesting to see but I would have had to wait in line for hours. He is a rock star in Portland. Most of my friends have negative and unrealistic views of Hillary. They mostly love Obama though. This is truly a little bubble here. 46318. iiibbb - 3/27/2016 2:57:22 AM Obama is the best president of my lifetime.
I really think Hillary made the best use of her time since 2008. I've never liked her much, but there is no denying her qualifications at this point.
Purity kills parties. I'm actually more disgusted by progressive even entertaining 4 years of Trump as "punishment" to the unpure than I am Cruz or Trump because they are simply acting within their nature... It's like being mad at a scorpion... Progressives willing to throw at risk demographics under the bus while claiming Hillary = Trump and not recognizing the long game even when it is pointed out... It's depressing and infuriating. 46319. winstonsmith - 3/27/2016 3:25:45 AM iiibbb, yeah, it reminds me of when my Nader-supporting friends would tell me that there was no difference between Gore and Bush. That election had grave consequences.
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