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46543. judithathome - 9/27/2016 9:33:38 PM Long read but well worth it by Dan Rather...
"Ladies and gentlemen, whatever civility once existed in our politics is tonight officially dead. Never in the history of televised debates have we witnessed such a show. And that’s what the Donald wanted. A show. He got it, but will he be seen as the hero or the villain?
If you are a fan of Hillary Clinton, I suspect you are thrilled with her poised and confident performance. Perhaps her crowning line was “I prepared for this debate and I'm prepared to be President”. If you are a fan of Donald Trump, his quarrelsome, no-holds-barred approach, often facts be damned, will likely in turn have thrilled you. The question is what does everybody else watching think and how many impressionable voters remain?
Taking a snapshot of the debate stage this evening, two candidates behind podiums, each representing one of the major political parties, it would seem to be the latest chapter in our quadrennial dance with democracy. But experiencing the event, in sound and motion, it was of course anything but.
46544. judithathome - 9/27/2016 9:34:05 PM (con't)
From the very beginning, the body language tonight was striking. HIllary Clinton, the first woman ever to be on this stage was calm and substantive. Donald Trump interrupted often and slouched and sneered as he turned to address her. This is what Trump’s fans like about him, playing the alpha male at all costs. Clinton seemed completely unflustered, which is what her fans love about her. How this all plays to the majority of viewers and voters at home will be in the eyes of the beholder.
But I was surprised by how much this man who has made so much of the means of television spent not looking into the camera, but preoccupied with his adversary. Trump came across as amped, a pacing tiger ready to pounce on every answer. His Interruptions suggests little regard to the rules. He’s itching for a fight...Wants to swing wildly.
At one point early in the debate Clinton, after multiple factually questionable assertions by Trump said, "I have a feeling by the end of this debate I'll be blamed for everything that ever happened," Clinton said. Trump replied, “Why not?” That about summed it up.
Clinton clearly wanted to get under Trump’s skin. She attacked him for getting a hefty amount of money from his dad, challenging the narrative that he was a self-made man. And then attacking his business practices. The headline she was aiming for is Donald the Deadbeat. And then on the issue of Trump’s unreleased tax returns, when Clinton says that was because he may not have paid any taxes, Trump responded, “that makes me smart.” Expect to hear more about this.
Clinton was clearly the policy expert, nimbly jumping from topic to topic, policy to policy. But she was also much more able to paint a big picture than I have seen in times past. I thought she was particularly effective on the issue of race and especially the birther lie against President Obama. She had the facts on her side, but also it was an effective appeal to fire up her base.
46545. judithathome - 10/2/2016 12:33:29 AM OMG....this is something I had never heard before...if it is true, this country is in DEEP trouble because this man is even
being considered as President of our country! Trump Accused of Spousal Rape
"(It’s not uncommon for court files to go missing.)"
Ha! No shit...especially TRUMP'S! 46546. arkymalarky - 10/2/2016 1:48:00 AM TPM has been talking about that for a while. A lot of stuff is coming out about him and it's not going to stop between now and election day. 46547. arkymalarky - 10/2/2016 2:09:46 AM I was thinking we might get Pepe's take on all this, but apparently not. 46548. arkymalarky - 10/2/2016 3:02:20 PM It's gonna rain hard on trump today. 46549. judithathome - 10/2/2016 7:40:32 PM Pepe the Frog?? I thought he was in the tank for Trump...;-) 46550. judithathome - 10/2/2016 7:48:59 PM Here's the Article About Trump Not Paying Taxes...No Wonder He Won't Let Us see His Tax Returns Voluntarily!
Donald J. Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, a tax deduction so substantial it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years, records obtained by The New York Times show.
The 1995 tax records, never before disclosed, reveal the extraordinary tax benefits that Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, derived from the financial wreckage he left behind in the early 1990s through mismanagement of three Atlantic City casinos, his ill-fated foray into the airline business and his ill-timed purchase of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.
Tax experts hired by The Times to analyze Mr. Trump’s 1995 records said that tax rules especially advantageous to wealthy filers would have allowed Mr. Trump to use his $916 million loss to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income over an 18-year period.
The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.
“He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?”
Mr. Trump declined to comment on the documents. Instead, the campaign released a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.
46551. judithathome - 10/2/2016 7:53:01 PM And his response to this? Poor people get out of paying taxes all the time through loopholes.
Really? Like the loopholes of not having jobs and/or being
poor? Maybe that's why he thinks the minimum wage is too high...he's just trying to save people from higher taxes.... 46552. arkymalarky - 10/2/2016 8:52:36 PM He is. He-she posts here occasionally. 46553. arkymalarky - 10/6/2016 12:14:38 AM Booooo Mark Halperin. I just had to get that out of my system. I'm just change the channel otherwise, but this close to the election I can't seem to manage that. 46554. judithathome - 10/6/2016 12:59:50 AM Mark Halperin
OMG... deliver ME! 46555. judithathome - 10/6/2016 6:33:53 PM Hysterical comment from a Nevadan kindergartener at a school Trump viisted after lecturing the voters on how pronounce their state's name: he walks into the class and you can hear one little girl saying very loudly "See? I TOLD YOU his hair wasn't ORANGE!"
Love it!!! 46556. winstonsmith - 10/8/2016 5:22:53 AM Hopefully, the lewd tape won't quite be enough to get Trump to drop out. Dropping out could possibly end up putting someone more electable on the ballot. 46557. winstonsmith - 10/8/2016 5:28:36 AM Hopefully, the lewd tape won't quite be enough to get Trump to drop out. Dropping out could possibly end up putting someone more electable on the ballot. 46558. judithathome - 10/8/2016 6:52:59 AM Well, after the Vice Presidential debate, everyone was saying how Presidential Pence looked and how much they were looking forward to 2020...Pence's timeline just may move up 4 years. 46559. winstonsmith - 10/8/2016 7:28:16 AM Yikes, I hope not Judith. Some people are talking about how it would be harder because early voting has started but I suppose they could argue that those are votes for Pense. 46560. arkymalarky - 10/8/2016 8:22:03 AM I don't think they can bring Ronald Reagan back and he get elected now. It's too late. I don't think Trump will drop out anyway though because he's mad and he's going to try to tear the whole edifice down on Sunday. You could tell that in his "apology" video that he was doing a Slow Burn. 46561. arkymalarky - 10/8/2016 8:23:08 AM Republicans don't even entertained the possibility of winning the presidency. They just hope that they don't lose the House. They are in full-blown panic mode right now. 46562. arkymalarky - 10/8/2016 8:24:27 AM If they put someone like Pence in, or probably anybody but Trump, his supporters will stay home and the Republicans down ballot will have their asses handed to them Nov 8.
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