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6661. arkymalarky - 8/5/2006 8:47:32 PM

It's a local thing, and the state would have to fund a mandate like that in order for larger districts, especially, to comply, due to the number of campuses they'd have to accommodate. I doubt it would ever pass at the state level because they've imposed so many unfunded and funded mandates already and we're having difficulty handling them all. Our rural town has a nice paved walking trail already that would make it fairly easy to ensure total pedestrian access to the school, but most communities don't have that, or at least not as handily close to all the campuses as what we do.

6662. arkymalarky - 8/5/2006 8:50:20 PM

WRT teen pregnancy in the US, it occurs most often in high poverty areas where the health practices of the population are already marginal.

6663. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2006 8:53:45 PM

Trllium, my simple point is that more women died from infections than from any other cause associated with pregnancy.

I've never heard or read about women becoming " like a leper, shunned by the rest of the community as "dirty" because of incontinence". That must be an American, Puritan thing.

6664. Trillium - 8/5/2006 10:25:57 PM

Pelle, I copied the following off of a website that claims connection to UN Family Planning Fund. Do you think that they would make this up? The problem is linked strongly to early marriage (as in age 10-15), rural areas without access to hospitals, and of course war zones where medical help becomes unavailable.

http://www.endfistula.org

If you think it's bogus, I'd be interested to know why.

"The Challenge of Living with Fistula

I have to put on heavy clothes. There are painful blisters and itching. I have to continue doing work and it causes increased dribbling of urine. Nobody wants to stay with me because of the smell.

—A woman from Bangladesh, as quoted in an EngenderHealth study

Without treatment, fistula often leads to social, physical, emotional and economic decline. Although some women with fistula display amazing courage and resilience, many others succumb to illness and despair.

The misery of fistula is relentless. In spite of one's best efforts to stay clean, the smell of leaking urine or faeces is hard to eliminate and difficult to ignore. The dampness causes rashes and infections. The cleaning up is constant, and pain or discomfort may be a continuous as well. The grief of losing a child and becoming disabled exacerbates the pain. The courage many women show in the face of these challenges is extraordinary."

6665. wonkers2 - 8/9/2006 6:45:53 PM

How about a discussion on fecal incontinence?

6666. wonkers2 - 8/9/2006 6:48:12 PM

While we're at it. Some army VD pics on gonnorhea would be great, too.

6667. Trillium - 8/10/2006 11:45:25 PM

No Wonkers, while we're at it, we should discuss AIDs

(or are we in a time warp to the early 1980s and it's still a taboo topic?)

When a large part of the population is sick/disabled, it takes a toll. It's difficult to be prosperous under those conditions.



http://www.endfistula.org

Either the problem described on the website above is bogus, or a huge problem is being ignored; Pelle, IIRC, has lived in places where this problem is apparently significant, and he says he's never heard of it.

If it's a big enough problem and enough people have never heard of it, could some foreign aid/economic development plans be falling short of their mark?

6668. Trillium - 8/10/2006 11:47:44 PM

My link didn't work. Try again?

UN family planning link

6669. Ulgine Barrows - 8/30/2006 6:50:45 AM

So how did you get exercise today?

I really whacked my kneecap out of kilter in the spring. I hit it by mistake on the inside with a huge iron plant hanger.

And in the next few months, the outside is swelling up and gives me pain when I bend down.

I think I shifted some kind of floating knee plate.


Damn, why cannot I bounce back like I'm 21?

I think I might ask a chiro about it, rather than a surgeon.

6670. alistairconnor - 8/30/2006 9:42:21 AM

Oh get that knee seen to. We're not getting any younger. My girlfriend did a handstand in a swimming pool to impress my daughters (she was a champion gymnast in her teens) and it's still sprained, two months later.

6671. concerned - 8/30/2006 7:52:39 PM

Fistulas are hardly my area of expertise, but couldn't skin/membrane grafts take care of most such problems?

6672. concerned - 8/30/2006 7:59:41 PM

Speaking of growing decrepit - my right knee has had some soreness and pain around the kneecap and ligaments apparently due to inflammation for the last six months. It seems to have improved significantly during the last month or so with the soreness having pretty much gone away, but it still lets me know it's around by twinging when I exert myself. Funny thing is, the pain has actually changed location over time. It used to be entirely on the lower outside portion of my kneecap but seems to have gone toward the inside portion more recently.

It may be related to the fact that I still run up stairs two at a time whenever possible at age 51 which probably stresses my knee joints more than it used to.

6673. concerned - 8/30/2006 8:03:31 PM

I think I might ask a chiro about it, rather than a surgeon.

A chiroquackter?

6674. concerned - 8/30/2006 8:04:44 PM

Why not an osteopath?

6675. arkymalarky - 8/30/2006 10:40:25 PM

My GP died suddenly and I'm stunned and sad and hating to find and get to know a new one. I told Mose he was the first person she ever saw. He had quit delivering, but did for me, and I've always been grateful for that. He was old-school, common sense, and he knew me well. Bob too, for that matter, since he started going to this doctor when we married. He was very proud of how Bob dealt with things after getting diabetes.

6676. judithathome - 9/1/2006 4:08:18 PM

Sorry to hear that, Arky. I saw the same GP from the time I was 3 until I was 28 years old and he made a rather serious misdiagnosis of my son's condition. It didn't make any difference but I lost confidence in him when he seemed so flummoxed by the situation.

After years and years, I came to see he couldn't have possibly diagnosed Hodgkin's in such a short time since it took a team of doctors almost 3 weeks to fully diagnose. But I never went back to the guy, regardless.

These days, it's very rare to keep the same doctor for more than a few years. Things conspire...insurance, etc...to keep that from happening. Or so it seems.

6677. webfeet - 9/1/2006 5:21:03 PM

Has anyone heard of or know someone who has had a PPH - or a post-partum hemorrhaging?

It can happen when the uterus fails to contract and the placenta is not delivered.

6678. Trillium - 9/2/2006 11:43:53 PM

webfeet: Over a decade ago, the upstairs neighbor (and favorite babysitter of my children) hemorrhaged the way you describe.

Another neighbor, a midwife's assistant, bundled her off in a taxi to a nearby city hospital, where they gave her a transfusion.

Happy ending, although without a hospital and blood transfusion supply a few blocks away, she wouldn't have survived.. she, the husband and kids are all still thriving.

6679. Trillium - 9/3/2006 12:01:53 AM

concerned: surgery can take care of fistulas, but the surgeons and surgical facilities are not available in many parts of the globe. This is because of rural location, lack of money to pay for help, or sometimes because women may not be seen by male doctors, and no women have been educated to do the necessary surgery.

If you search the websites, the claim is that this is a medical situation afflicting millions of women, but shame suppresses discussion of the problem.

I know that when mission/settlements were set up in Appalachia in the 1920s, they focused primarily on education of children and maternal health programs.

I would sometimes wonder briefly why maternal health and hospital birthing was such an issue, because the potential risks of childbirth weren't discussed in polite society. I think in the generation prior to mine, because so many babies were born at home, the witnesses and families knew the secret risks even if they didn't talk about it in public.

The problems of difficult births are so unspeakable that they have been forgotten, and there is a tendency to assume that medical care is as available on the rest of the globe as it is in the urban first world.

What misery, though, for those people who can't get help when they need it.

6680. Ulgine Barrows - 9/3/2006 12:35:57 AM

6673. concerned - 8/30/2006 8:03:31 PM
I think I might ask a chiro about it, rather than a surgeon.
A chiroquackter?

6674. concerned - 8/30/2006 8:04:44 PM
Why not an osteopath?


Mmmm, osteopath is the path to a surgeon.
I've had worse experiences with surgeons than chiros, let's leave it at that.

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