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6825. arkymalarky - 4/4/2007 9:49:32 PM One more thing: Wombat, are you on any kind of program right now or planning to get on one? Are you in a better position to stick with one now? 6826. clydefo - 4/4/2007 10:05:03 PM For quick weight loss and sustained good health, Nathan Pritikin sez:
Low-salt (why carry 5-10 pounds of dilution water?)
80% Complex Carbs (Minimally processed whole grains, vegetables, fruit "burn" clean , leaving only H2O and CO2 to be removed from the blood.)
10% Protein (Should not be consumed for fuel. The body recycles amino acids and probably needs less than half the protein RDA for replenishment.)
10% Fat (Mostly from vegetables)
Exercise.
It works.
6827. concerned - 4/4/2007 10:49:25 PM Re. 6807 -
I guess being a guy, it's different, but I concentrate on staying reasonably fit and let my weight take care of itself. As a result, I've pretty much stayed in a 20 pound range over the last 25 years (average weight = 260lb@ 6'5 1/2") 6828. judithathome - 4/4/2007 10:51:46 PM 10% Fat (Mostly from vegetables)
What vegetables have fat?
I think 80% carbs is far too high. Lately they say the high protein diets have much better success at losing than high carb ones.
I agree about the salt...we don't add salt to anything and eat very little of it at all. The only thing I put salt on is a little twist of the salt grinder over my oatmeal. We don't eat that many processed foods and whichever ones we do get, I check the salt content and only by things with a low percentage.
I see people just load the salt on their food, even before tasting it, and it boggles my mind.
6829. Magoseph - 4/4/2007 10:56:09 PM For those of you who have lower back problems, try these exercises--I guaranty that they work.
6830. wonkers2 - 4/4/2007 11:17:40 PM Thanks! I printed them out. 6831. Wombat - 4/5/2007 12:12:56 AM Arky:
When Passover ends (next Monday), I will start up my food diary (again). Basically, I track everything I eat, weigh portions, etc., calculate calories. My maintenance weight corresponds almost directly to my daily caloric intake (in thousands of calories; 250 lbs=2500 calories per day). Anything more, I gain; anything less, I lose. In the past, I have found that it is really difficult to exceed 2500 calories per day.
I don't really track proportions devoted to food groups. I probably eat more fat and protein calories than some diets call for, but I find that carbs--complex or not--stimulate my appetite.
Exercise has been problematic for me. In the past, I have found that it must be in a daily context, rather than have specific time set aside for it. I would get on or off the subway a stop or two before my stop and walk. That was good for 30 minutes to an hour of walking per day. These days--in theory--I could walk my children to and from school (30 mniutes to an hour). 6832. clydefo - 4/5/2007 12:16:06 AM Most vegetables have 10-20% calories from fat. Collard greens 12%, etc. Oatmeal is 10% fat calories.
Any more protein than is needed to repair connective tissue, skin, etc, is a nuisance for the body to eliminate if plenty of clean carb fuel is available. Hard on the kidneys. May contribute to osteoporosis.
6833. judithathome - 4/5/2007 12:40:03 AM Well, I don't have osteoporosis and if I eat too many carbs, I gain weight and feel awful...
6834. judithathome - 4/5/2007 12:43:46 AM Clyde, where did you get that info about the fat in veggies? Because the list I go by which is put out by the American Heart Association shows zero fat in vegetables. In fact, that's why most veggies are in the FREE column on Weight Watchers lists... 6835. clydefo - 4/5/2007 1:11:03 AM 6831.
...carbs--complex or not--stimulate my appetite.
Having a high water content and low calories, complex carbs let one munch all day and enjoy a full belly while still losing or maintaining weight, especially if one stays busy enough to start sweating during the day
6833.
...if I eat too many carbs, I gain weight...
Don't eat too many. Or less couch time.
6834.
When the "food" lobby wrote the labeling laws, they provided loopholes allowing them to "round down" fat % to zero if the amount per portion size is below some threshold, maybe one gram.
This site is probably as accurate as any. Cooked broccoli 10% fat calories
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/11091.html 6836. arkymalarky - 4/5/2007 6:13:53 AM The absolute best I've ever done, exercise-wise, was with Basic Training, with Ada
I have tapes converted to dvds that I can use on my laptop, and I've done that some, but I'm going to start with the calisthenics and treadmill and work my way up to using her routines again, hopefully by summer. I wouldn't have done any good with any exercise before my hysterectomy and getting my allergies under control, and I'm starting my allergy shots back Friday. I would have a few weeks ago, but I've been fighting a chronic sinus infection. I was about to go on antibiotics, but the rain and following cooler, dry weather are giving it a chance to clear up, so maybe I won't have to.
I'm doing a food/exercise diary, and I got everything set this evening to officially start in the morning. I've "practiced" today, eating less and walking on the treadmill. I'm glad to have four days before school starts back to work into a routine. 6837. Ulgine Barrows - 4/5/2007 6:30:28 AM larky, I've been 'practicing' for a good 4 months now.
Noting has gotten me off my butt, so sad.
Shout out to all you other big hips & butts.
6838. Ulgine Barrows - 4/5/2007 6:33:46 AM Every morning, I've got a new chance
-Spoon 6839. alistairConnor - 4/5/2007 2:18:32 PM Yeah get off your butt Ulgine
and let me get on it.
I don't know if we'll lose weight
but we could have fun trying. 6840. thoughtful - 4/5/2007 2:18:53 PM clydefo, i'm afraid your high carb diet is way out of date and not in keeping with the learnings from the impact of carbs on insulin and blood sugar levels. I used to follow a high carb diet and found a good chunk of my body nothing but a bin of cellulite. I switched to schwarzbein which is a controlled carb diet and my cellulite evaporated. Cellulite of course is nothing but fat. And the body must protect the brain from excess sugar so all carbs consumed must be burned immediately or layed down as fat, usually around the middle. The basic building blocks of syndrome X. Further, carbs take a lot longer for the body to register as 'full' than do protein or fats so it's very easy to overeat carbs vs. the others.
On top of that, the essential role of protein in the body esp as it comes to building muscle has been greatly underestimated by these high carb diets. See for example, the latest Nutrition action letter on Saving Muscle. In addition to requiring protein to build muscle, the more muscle the body contains, the more calories it burns, even at rest, which makes it easier to lose weight and keep it off.
And as far as protein being bad for your kidneys, that's true. Fat is bad for your arteries and Carbs are bad for your blood sugar, but you have to eat something. That's why the majority of nutritionists recommend, and have recommended for decades the importance of a balanced diet. A diet such as your recommending is not balanced. 6841. thoughtful - 4/5/2007 2:26:41 PM As far as fat in vegetables, it depends on the vegetable. Corn is high in fat...think corn oil. So are olives and soy beans and especially high fat is avocados. But generally nonstarchy vegetables like squash and green beans and lettuce are not good sources of fat.
For anyone wondering about nutritional content of various foods, I highly recommend this link...very thorough and has a great visual to help you place the food on the fat/protein/carb pyramid.
6842. thoughtful - 4/5/2007 2:29:52 PM For weight loss considerations, let me recommend another approach. For every 100 extra calories a day you consume, you will gain 10 lbs in a year. Knowing that fact, you can judge where you are today and where you'd like to be. Say you decide you'd like to be 10 lbs lighter in a year. Then with very little effort...say deciding to skip a slice of bread with butter at dinner...you can painlessly lose the 10 lbs and maintain that weight loss.
Or you can combine that with a daily activity like burning 50 calories extra and eating 50 fewer calories and achieve the same result. 6843. thoughtful - 4/5/2007 2:32:55 PM Also, here is an exercise/calorie burned calculator. 6844. Magoseph - 4/5/2007 2:50:30 PM Thanks for the links, thoughtful.
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