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7066. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 2:50:33 PM Clydefo, I saw that article. No doubt there is a genetic connection, but it's much more than that too. See statistics on obesity rates among children. Genetics don't morph in a generation.
% obese children ages 6-11 1960s-70s: 4%; 2001-04: 17.5%
And when you consider the number of overweight adults, many of which are still in the same cohort so there is no genetic difference:
% overweight ages 20-74: 1976-80: 47%; 2001-04: 66%
The lifestyle differences are easy to spot: amount of added sugars to food has skyrocketed; the portion sizes have skyrocketed.
Mean kilocalorie intake:
Men 1976-80=2439; 1999-02=2634
Women 1976-80=1542; 1999-02=1874
%kilocalories from carbohydrates:
Men 1976-80=42.6; 1999-02=48.9
Women 1976-80=45.4; 1999-02=51.57067. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 2:51:19 PM sorry i screwed up the link Let me try again
link 7068. judithathome - 5/9/2007 3:18:56 PM Clyde, one of them works in a nursery...she is in the sun, the brutal Texas sun, for much of the day. 7069. judithathome - 5/9/2007 3:27:54 PM Since my last colonoscopy (about 4 months ago), I have been eating oatmeal every moring and have gained 8 pounds. I have given up diet Coke totally and the rest of my diet was what I had been eating for the past few years. The oatmeal is the only change I have made in my diet, along with the lack of diet soda (which I quit three weeks ago).
So yesterday, I decided to try the Atkin's Diet...lean meats and a big salad last night for dinner.
My weight difference is 2 1/2 pounds down from the day before. I think I'm going to stay on this for a week or two and see if that 8 pounds goes away.
I know people are supposed to be able to lose with fewer calories and a balanced diet of a range of foods but I really DO gain when I have more than 30 grams of carbs...I've proven it time after time.
So I'm going to incorporate more fiber-full veggies in my diet and what grains I do have will be few and far between...After I lose some weight, I might have oatmeal and very grainy bread once or twice a week but this everyday thing is not for me. 7070. thoughtful - 5/9/2007 3:37:20 PM J@h, are you putting anything on the oatmeal? Are you buying the packets of preflavored stuff or making it out of the can?
7071. judithathome - 5/9/2007 4:35:13 PM I'm making it from scratch... Silver Pallette brand plain oats that you cook. I like it chewy and don't cook it to death...and I put nothing on it but a little, very little, sea salt.
I can't bear sweet oatmeal...that stuff in packets is mainly sugar.
I could see gaining weight if I'd loaded it with sugar and cream or dried berries or whipped cream or maple syrup...but I ate it PLAIN. No frills at all. 7072. alistairconnor - 5/9/2007 4:41:39 PM Strange. Are oats really that full of carbs?
The answer is obvious really. What do you give a horse to give him an energy boost?
But surely no diet makes you lose 1 kg in 24 hours... that would have to be a pretty big serving of porridge! 7073. arkymalarky - 5/9/2007 10:20:11 PM Bob eats oatmeal usually twice a day, but he counted his overall carbs for at least a year after getting diabetes, and the oatmeal doesn't put him over their suggested limit. I guess different people are affected by different foods, but the oatmeal was a big key in his weight loss because he ate it for breakfast and a snack. Maybe it's causing you to retain water somehow.
I go in Monday to have my thyroid level checked. I'm hoping the next adjustment shows a difference, because after the first couple of days I feel basically like I did before. The doctor told me I wouldn't likely notice much difference in the first round, so I guess we'll see with the next one. 7074. clydefo - 5/10/2007 12:53:48 AM Consumer Reports Rates Popular Diet Plans
New diet winners
We rate the diet books and plans. Plus: 8 strategies that work
Americans don’t give up easily. Those hoping to lose weight have put a whole new crop of diet books on the best-seller list. The science-laden “You on a Diet,” the wine lover’s “Sonoma Diet,” the manly “Abs Diet,” and the kinder, gentler, Oprah Winfrey-endorsed “Best Life Diet” are just some of the recent titles.
We have rated those four and other popular diet books, based on our nutritional analysis and the critiques of a panel of diet experts. None of these books has yet been put to the acid test of a large clinical trial. Our analysis found that most provided good nutrition advice, but the panel perceived real differences in their quality of information. Some of the experts, for instance, thought that some nutritional theories in “UltraMetabolism” didn’t have solid science behind them.
We also have some new winners among diet plans that have been studied in clinical trials, reflecting data published since our 2005 diet Ratings. Our top-rated diet is “The Volumetrics Eating Plan” by Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., a professor in the department of nutritional sciences at The Pennsylvania State University.
Weight Watchers came in second, with Jenny Craig a very close third (see Diet plans, available to
subscribers)...
7075. thoughtful - 5/10/2007 2:36:51 PM The oatmeal must have to do with water retention. It takes 3,500 calories to lose a pound of fat. Rapid weight loss is really water weight loss. Oatmeal being bulky may have to do with the weight of the food in the gut, food transfer time and so on.
Hubby is very sensitive to salt. His weight will rise by 2-3 lbs if we've eaten ham or pizza. His weight will also rise by that much if we've eaten out. Of course, he's able to lose that in a couple of days by stopping the salty food and drinking lots of water. Me, I eat the same foods and my weight doesn't budge.
I know that when I was eating a lot of yogurt it seemed to make me bloat for some reason and when I stopped eating it, my belly went down noticeably. 7076. thoughtful - 5/10/2007 2:50:52 PM Arky, please be sure to get your numbers and the reference ranges on your blood work. Don't settle for "normal".
Reference ranges will vary by lab, but for instance, my latest were:
TSH 1.79 (0.4-5.5)
FT4 1.0 (0.8-1.8)
T3 120 (60-181)
I can see exactly where I am and what's normal for me. Not everyone is the same and the levels that are best for you are very individual. Knowing this will help you judge how your body is reacting to the supplements and help you adjust them to get you feeling your optimum.
Also, note that this lab is out of date on the TSH. Many labs have shifted the upper range lower as it is more in line with the general population. They are finding people with TSH over 4 are actually hypothyroid and often have symptoms related to it. Others go by the lab ranges but refer to the upper range as "subclinical hypothyroidism". Docs argue whether it should be treated or not. My take is go by how the patient feels. 7077. judithathome - 5/10/2007 4:04:06 PM I always drink a lot of water and possibly that was water weight...I weighed the same this morning so I'm almost sure it was. And since I don't add salt to anything except the oatmeal, it was probably just the change from that...although a few grains of salt is hardly overdoing it. I see people put so much salt on their food it looks like it's snowed on their plate.
Anyhow, yesterday for lunch I had grilled trout, a medly of broccoli, yellow squash, and baby zucchini and a side of steamed green beans, very skinny ones that were delicious. (I ordered them in place of rice pilaf.) I dont think a diet like that is going to kill me. ;-) 7078. judithathome - 5/10/2007 4:10:55 PM Clyde, that link to the diet study showed an error. I couldn't read the article.
I'm not surprised Jenny Craig scored so highly, though...NutriSystem probably did, too. Those "diets" are all done for you. If you can afford the food, it's a painless way to lose. I, for one, can't justify paying $300+ a month for pre-made food just for me. I have to eat in such a way that Keoni can, too. He doesn't need to diet so I make things that are healthy and that he can jazz up with a sauce or pasta and I just leave those off for me.
Tonight we're having grilled salmon...he'll have his with rice and a salad and mine will be sans rice. 7079. thoughtful - 5/10/2007 4:33:34 PM J@h, your plan sounds sensible.
I don't like the nutrisys and jenny craig stuff for 2 key reasons: 1) you can't control the junk they add to the food...who the heck knows what's in there; 2) you don't learn how to feed yourself. So as soon as you quit their food, you go back to eating the old stuff and the weight returns.
7080. clydefo - 5/10/2007 7:31:20 PM Sorry for the bad link. It is a subscription site but I thought the intro page could be accessed. Maybe this will work.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/health-fitness/diets-6-07/overview/0607_diets_ov.htm
7081. arkymalarky - 5/10/2007 10:19:15 PM I got the basics of it on MSNBC the other day, and meant to link it, but I guess I forgot. 7082. clydefo - 5/11/2007 7:47:16 PM MSNBC is running a story about the negative effects caused by movies that contain scenes depicting smoking. They may be required to carry an "R" rating in the future. Meanwhile, as Barbie is prattling on, we're seeing an ongoing video montage of movie smoking scenes. Bogart and all our other heroes puffing away. Probably more smoking than the kids would see in ten films. Let's hope the little darlings are in school and not watching TV. 7083. judithathome - 5/13/2007 6:08:25 PM Well, let's also hope that the people claiming this are not morons...because after all, the VIOLENCE in movies and video games these kids are exposed to is not supposed to influence them one whit...even though you see 5 year olds doing karate chops and using play swords to try and decapitate everything in sight after "being exposed" to movies. But heaven forfend a man light up a cigarette on screen because then, we'll have little nicotine addicts running around.
You can't have it both ways...either everything in movies influences kids or nothing does. You can't say they will start smoking but WON'T use violence for conflict resolution after viewing it all for hours and hours on screen. 7084. thoughtful - 5/14/2007 7:27:40 PM a buddy at work was telling me he and his wife were very careful not to give toy guns to their small son. they realized it wasn't working when one day they saw him grab his sister's barbie doll, bend her legs forward to hold her like a gun and started running around the house "shooting" things with her... 7085. judithathome - 5/14/2007 7:33:40 PM I adore the little five year old next door; he runs around in a Spiderman costume and he does karate chops and leaps all the time. The other day, he came over right before his little league game and asked me if I would protect his house while he was gone. I asked him "Protect it from what?" and said "Bad guys!" I asked him what I was supposed to do them if they showed up and he said "Tie them up and I'll karate them when I get home from the game!" He carries a jewelled sword around with him and for two weeks straight, he wore a black cape everywhere he went.
He is definitely influenced by movies and TV.
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