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7924. OhioSTOPAS - 4/19/2012 7:42:21 PM Wrong. The contribution of urban heat islands to global temperature increase is minor compared to the effect of greenhouse gases. Cite 7925. concerned - 4/19/2012 7:48:47 PM Re. 7924 -
Read more carefully - that is not what I claimed. I was talking about the relative change to the urban environment itself due to the UHI effect compared to global warming. 7926. OhioSTOPAS - 4/19/2012 9:33:04 PM Not really - but if so, then what was your point?
Paved surfaces cause a localized increase in temperature. So does turning on your oven. What does that have to do with world-wide temperature increases? 7927. concerned - 4/19/2012 9:36:46 PM It has plenty to do with them if temperature measuring stations in UHIs are reading 3-6C high and are not be properly compensated for. 7928. concerned - 4/19/2012 9:36:57 PM ...not being.... 7929. OhioSTOPAS - 4/19/2012 9:53:33 PM Oh, so your point is that global temperature measurements have been warped by placement of stations in hotter than average areas like "urban islands" (or my kitchen)? In that case: Wrong again.
This canard was a favorite of global warming "skeptics", but it's been refuted. Cite 7930. concerned - 4/19/2012 10:46:44 PM Re. 7929 -
Interesting cite, but still doesn't address the point I made that the appearance of global warming can be obtained merely by closing many of the more rural stations (and/or opening more urban stations), which has been the case during the last couple of decades.
Close rural stations, open urban stations....average temperature from remaining stations goes up. Isn't science fraud grand? 7931. concerned - 4/19/2012 10:48:03 PM Btw, I see that the Berkeley site references this guy Muller who was recently exposed as a global warming fraudster. 7932. Wombat - 4/20/2012 1:19:56 AM In what way? 7933. OhioSTOPAS - 4/20/2012 12:50:57 PM "Interesting cite, but still doesn't address the point . . ."
Wrong. Muller's work EXACTLY addresses the point. Muller examined the readings from "very rural" stations, and those readings confirmed an increase in global temperatures independent of any readings from stations in "urban heat islands".
Nor has Muller been "exposed" as being anything other than a scientist who bases his conclusions on actual fact. That's heresy to global warming skeptics, I know, but it's not "fraud". 7934. arkymalarky - 4/21/2012 6:26:22 AM Well, I've undergone a major conversion. I now have an iPhone. I like the droid features better, but I'm sick of troubleshooting and problems and google's making it worse lately with added crapware. 7935. concerned - 4/23/2012 8:48:48 AM arky -
Is the crapware some of those 'cool' apps? 7936. arkymalarky - 4/23/2012 3:39:37 PM No, it's all Verizon and google 7937. Jenerator - 5/8/2012 4:35:52 PM Researchers in Norway have developed a test to determine whether or not one is addicted to Facebook. It seems that my work 14 years ago WAS correct! :)
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120507102054.htm7938. concerned - 5/13/2012 5:13:30 AM I haven't really been that into dinosaurs, especially over the last 20 years, but things have been percolating quite a bit in that time, especially regarding bird-like dinosaurs in the theropod family.
One of the most unusual recent finds (in the Gobi desert region of China) in 2007 has been a species that has been named Gigantoraptor. It is unusual because it is literally over three times larger in each dimension as the next largest species in its family, the Oviraptoridae.
It has distinctly bird like characteristics and behavior such as brooding over eggs, a toothless beak, and being feathered. In fact, it is speculated that Gigantoraptor may have been descended from birdlike dinosaurs that flew (the specimen found of Gigantoraptor is actually about 70 million years younger than what is widely considered the 'first' bird, Archaeopteryx).
Btw, the word 'raptor' in the scientific name of a species merely emphasizes its 'birdlike' characteristics - this does not imply that Gigantoraptor was all that closely related to the 'Velociraptors' in Jurassic Park, although both are theropods.
And finally, Gigantoraptor stood nearly 20 feet tall and weighed an estimated 2 tons when fully mature, nearly the size of a Tyrannosaurus Rex - perhaps one reason it was humorously nicknamed the 'meat eating chicken of doom'. 7939. concerned - 5/13/2012 5:35:18 AM Slight correction: technically Theropoa is regarded as a 'clade', not a family.
Also, I've found out the the purpose of Velocitraptor's upraised hindfoot claw is now considered not to disembowel its opponent after leaping in the air, but to assist in holding relatively large prey to the ground. 7940. concerned - 5/13/2012 5:35:42 AM Theropoda - sheesh. 7941. concerned - 5/22/2012 7:35:23 PM Btw, I'm considering doing a computer graphic or cartoon drawing where a family of Gigantoraptors (both parents and as many as a dozen 6 - 10 foot tall 'chicks') is attacking a residence - sort of a variation of the Jurassic Park theme but with a little more humor of a sort. I want to represent the gigantoraptor family in a way that implies they have most of the social characteristics of modern birds, rather than just being individual beasts running amok.
I'm not really an artist or an illustrator, but if I need to I usually can figure out how to draw or 'illustrate' either cartoon or semi-realistic scenes. I think I already know how to get the 'chicks' done rather quickly (but I'm not gonna say), but I figure doing the adults will require the most effort, since I will assume that, like many birds, they have brighter plumage/coloration than the chicks. And representing the feathers may be a challenge. 7942. concerned - 6/26/2012 5:51:29 PM Former Wacko James Lovelock loses his religion about the global warming apocalypse
Will wonders never cease. Former chicken little wingnut James Lovelock suddenly sounds almost like me about global climate.
excerpts:
Lovelock explained that "the world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time" for the warming to occur. Yet the temperature "has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising" as carbon dioxide was rising.
More recently, as revealed in an interview with the British Guardian, Lovelock disclosed other points of contention with those he calls "greens."
He has come to support fracking to produce more natural gas to fire electric power plants. He's rebuked environmentalists for creating a "green religion" that "is now taking over from the Christian religion." And he has called the idea of sustainable development through renewable energy "meaningless drivel."
Moreover, Lovelock has cast doubt on the article of faith that the science on global warming is settled.
This from the guy who gave Gore his talking points six years ago by writing that:
"before this century is over, billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable."
So, scratch off from the list one global warming multi layer nut and fruit cake who says 'hello' to intellectual honesty.
7943. concerned - 6/26/2012 5:53:18 PM Slight clarification:
So, scratch off from the list one global warming multi layer nut and fruit cake who now says 'hello' to intellectual honesty.
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