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9495. concerned - 11/29/2012 1:31:42 AM How Obama Aids And Abets Hamas Attacks
What sort of US president would fail to condemn this ramping up of, and indeed works to enable Hamas' Israel terror?
The worst one in US history. 9496. concerned - 11/29/2012 1:33:40 AM Gee, Wombat, is there any way to make 0bama look anything but bad here? 9497. concerned - 11/29/2012 1:35:25 AM C'mon - tell me anything good resulting from 0bama's mideast foreign policy *in real world terms*, not in sappy Ivory Tower driveling. I double dog dare you. 9498. Wombat - 11/29/2012 2:27:33 AM Please describe alternative policies, then. 9499. RickNelson - 11/29/2012 3:17:48 AM Hey concerned, HOW yuh been. Good!
We're out of Iraq! That's an Obama success.
Obama's Libya policy coincided with a majority of regional and world leaders. Khadafi is gone! Time will show the world whether the regional and world leader coalition succeeded.
Syria and Iran are isolated. That's the regionally accepted course at this time. That's success.
The Saudis have not moved into an "Arab Spring", that's regional stability, and good for the global economy for the time being.
Israel is responsible for Hamas, and whether Hamas shoots scores more rockets than ever before has nothing to do with Obama. Nothing! Israel has capabilities you must be aware? Right!
Turkey is stable, and the Armenian genocide was acknowledged for the first time. Amazing development for Turkey. Caveat, it's not a national statement, but it's been mentioned by a leader, thus, we again can examine the significance of that era.
The Balkans are sort of stable, and Obama has supported counter measures against the sex trade.
Obama has connections in one of the regions most dangerous states, Yemen. He's able to strike at known terror cell leaders and operatives. As for myself, I'm not fighting the drone issue.
There are many more concerned, care to take just one of these and give praise where it's due?
9500. Wombat - 11/29/2012 3:58:15 AM In formulating policy alternatives, Concerned, you will need to factor in the following realities:
1) Thanks in large part to Obama's predecessor, the American public has no desire for prolonged military interventions.
2) Thanks to Obama's predecessor, we cannot afford a prolonged military intervention.
3) The US military--because it has been in sustained combat since 2003--is stretched to the breaking point, particularly the ground forces.
You might also bear in mind, if this penetrates your bubble, that when push came to shove, Romney's proposed foreign policy in the Middle East and Afghanistan was essentially the same as Obama's. 9501. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:00:14 AM In formulating policy alternatives, Concerned, you will need to factor in the following realities:
1) Thanks in large part to Obama's predecessor, the American public has no desire for prolonged military interventions.
2) Thanks to Obama's predecessor, we cannot afford a prolonged military intervention.
3) The US military--because it has been in sustained combat since 2003--is stretched to the breaking point, particularly the ground forces.
You might also bear in mind, if this penetrates your bubble, that when push came to shove, Romney's proposed foreign policy in the Middle East and Afghanistan was essentially the same as Obama's. 9502. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:00:43 AM Soory about the dupe. 9503. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:05:38 AM Here are some more figures from the Israelis.
Fatalities resulting from Terrorist Attacks in Israel:
2001-207
2002-452
2003-208
2004-117 9504. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:09:41 AM Let's try that again:
2001-207
2002-452
2003-208
2004-117
2005-56
2006-30
2007-13
2008-36
2009-15
2010-9
Source http://www.shabak.gov.il/SiteCollectionImages/english/TerrorInfo/reports/2010summary2-en.pdf 9505. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:18:38 AM Let's see about rocket attacks from Gaza from 2005-2010:
2005-401
2006-1722
2007-1276
2008-2048
2009-569
2010-150
Mortar Attacks from Gaza, 2005-2010:
2005-854
2006-55
2007-1531
2008-1668
2009-289
2010-215
Source: http://www.shabak.gov.il/SiteCollectionImages/english/TerrorInfo/reports/2010summary2-en.pdf
9506. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:33:18 AM Let's go to Concerned's IDF source, and let's go back to 2001. (Note that these figures combine rocket and mortar attacks)
2001-510
2002-661
2003-848
2004-1528
2005-488
2006-1123
2007-2427
2008-3278
2009-774
2010-231
2011-267
2012-1435
Source: http://www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/ 9507. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:45:12 AM Is there a pattern here? Other than Concerned's continuing uncritical use of selective statistics without a recognizable context from obviously biased sources? Again Concerned substitutes opinion for analysis.
Using Concerned's (sorry, the International Business Daily's) laughable methodology, it is obvious from these figures that the Bush administration "aided and abetted" Hamas far more than the Obama administration has.
So we have definitively established that Concerned continues to be a fucking moron who has the analytical capability of a five year old.
Without further analysis, we can probably also say that the changes in the level of rocket attacks by Hamas (mostly Islamic Jihad, actually) has little if anything to do with whoever might be the US President.
Maybe Concerned can try this shit on Acey's web site, where he would be the voice of reason, at least some of the time. 9508. Wombat - 11/29/2012 4:51:23 AM Apologies for the obscenities, but rampant stupidity brings out the worst in me. 9509. RickNelson - 11/29/2012 1:56:04 PM Ace---
What a tool! 9510. concerned - 11/30/2012 7:19:13 PM Wombat -
What's your point?
Extend your rocket and mortar statistics until 2012, and I win, you lose. I will concede that you have a lot more in common with 'fucking morons' in general than I do.
The majority of RN's items cannot be specifically credited to the 0bama administration. Admittedly, a few can, but most are more symbolic, or unrealized in practical terms as of yet than real.
Turkey, as well as most of the Middle East, continues to move toward Islamic fundamentalism, and that is a gigantic fail of 0bama's 'Arab Spring' policy. 9511. Wombat - 12/1/2012 12:54:14 AM If I have to explain the point I was making to you again, you were clearly too stupid to get it in the first place.
Let's apply the idiotic methodology you promote in a different manner: Since rocket attacks from Gaza plunged from a peak in 2008 of over 3000 to under 300 in 2010, it is clear that the Obama Administration was much tougher on Hamas than the Bush Administration was. Do you get that?
The IDF statistics do go into 2012, and they may well reach levels not seen since the Bush administration. And it has nothing to do with the Obama Administration (or the Bush Administration, for that matter). Do you really want to continue with this? It doesn't make you seem any smarter, you know.
Here's something else for you to try and absorb: By pushing for elections in 2006--in spite of warnings from both Israel and the Palestinian Authority--one could say that the Bush administration played a key role in putting Hamas in power in Gaza. Talk about your Hamas "benefactors." 9512. bhelpuri - 12/6/2012 1:39:38 PM Americans continue to argue trivial minutiae while their "way of life" slumps to crisis.
The fuck, Concerned? Can you not see the writing on the wall? 9513. concerned - 12/17/2012 12:58:23 AM Re. 9511 -
If the US Left had not been so focused on undermining US policy during George W. Bush's second term, then these figures would surely have been better then. But the fact is that any temporary advantage that 0bama enjoyed due to his race/party affiliation or religion, past or present, is gone, and he is set to be more worthy of criticism than Bush ever was, regardless of the political viewpoint of the analysis. 9514. concerned - 12/17/2012 12:59:15 AM re. 9512 -
I surely can. That is why I voted for Romney. 0bama's 'Arab Spring' policy is an unfolding disaster.
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