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2115. Ms. No - 5/31/2023 8:50:43 PM

Disappointing but also sort of relieving word from the EdD program -- everyone has accepted the admissions offers, so unless someone drops out before August, I'll have to wait for next year and apply again.

This timing works better for me, truthfully, but I can admit that it's a little bruising to the ego. Ah, well, gives me another year to become a better candidate. :-)

2116. thoughtful - 6/6/2023 4:51:37 AM

Is anyone still here? I thought I checked back a year or so ago and the site was gone.

Hello! Hope all are well and thriving.

2117. vonKreedon - 6/8/2023 9:54:26 PM

Hey thoughtful, some of us are still here some of the time. What's up with you?

2118. thoughtful - 6/9/2023 3:12:56 AM

Not much, still retired, still enjoying life. How's with you? Is it just you and Ms No left?

2119. vonKreedon - 6/9/2023 12:17:11 PM

Pretty much, though others show up occasionally.

2120. thoughtful - 6/10/2023 12:24:41 PM

I do miss the old gang...the quality of the discussions we had here were amazing. I learned so much. The other forums I'm on now are fine and fun, but nowhere near as demanding intellectually.

2121. Ms. No - 6/13/2023 6:24:56 AM

Hello, thoughtful - good to see you!

Yes, there was a server issue and some communication breakdown so the site was down for a few months.

I was just reading something at Slate the other day and considered leaving a comment -- don't know how long ago they ditched the ridiculous BBS format that they switched to when they dumped us, but it seems much more similar to when we were there. I still didn't feel like registering in order to post, though. (Mainly this is because I didn't want to get all riled up and rant. ;-)

2122. thoughtful - 6/17/2023 2:34:44 PM

Hey Ms. No! Glad you are doing well. Still fondly remember our meet up in the Bronx!

2123. Ms. No - 6/20/2023 4:47:00 AM

Me too -- and your lovely husband. I'm in Hoboken right now. Every time I come out here I think of the great FrayUnion. What a good time!

2124. thoughtful - 6/28/2023 6:50:41 PM

I'm looking for a new political forum. I'm involved with one that's reasonable, but only because they've essentially kicked out all the RW trolls. But I'd really like one where I can interact with the gop so I can have a better understanding of what their thinking is. I was on another, but the admin is getting tired of it all and thinking about pulling the plug on all political posts, as has happened on another one.

Any suggestions?

2125. Ms. No - 6/30/2023 2:20:45 AM

Honestly, I stopped even listening to NPR back in 2016. I don't like to feel angry and powerless, and that's pretty much all the mainstream news was doing for me.

I keep local and inform myself in order to vote and decide how I spend my money. I'll dip into some of the big magazines -- the Atlantic, WSJ, NYT, Guardian, Economist, Mother Jones -- but I had to just quit all the gossipy crap I kept seeing on CNN/FOX/MSNBC etc.

My current news feed gives me daily doses of horror movies to check out, yard and garden ideas, performing artists, and cat videos. I'm quite possibly dumber for it, but I'm less angry. :-)

2126. thoughtful - 6/30/2023 3:34:05 AM

I understand how you feel.
But I have so much pent-up energy around what is happening that I need to express it...and I'm ever hopeful that there will be some way some how to reach these people...or if I could at least understand what they were thinking, it would help.

But basically I keep finding out that when I respond with facts, they respond that I'm a moron or I'm evil.

2127. Ms. No - 6/30/2023 9:44:54 AM

Or you're a socialist Groomer who hates America and Jesus.

It's such a strange phenomenon to witness so many thousands of people who just will not accept factual evidence. It's clearly an emotional thing, but I have so little sympathy anymore for the average white person who thinks they're being persecuted and ignored because people who don't look or think like them also want the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

2128. thoughtful - 7/2/2023 3:05:27 PM

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." -- Carl Sagan

2129. thoughtful - 7/2/2023 3:06:53 PM

And it's one thing when whites are bamboozled by white racists, but another when it's blacks or hispanics who are bamboozled by them! That I really don't get!

2130. vonKreedon - 7/3/2023 2:37:00 AM

All of my on-line conservative contacts have disconnected from me, I no longer have anyone who will argue political/social points with me. I apparently ask too many questions.

2131. thoughtful - 7/3/2023 10:10:31 PM

Hahah vonK! My experience is similar...it seems too much to ask that they be civil and actually make an argument as opposed to heading right to invective.

I've also responded with facts and data to which they answer that they don't believe it, I'm being duped by Soros et al, yadda yadda...

2132. Ms. No - 7/9/2023 5:01:51 AM

I'm always amazed and horrified and saddened when confronted with the kind of internalized oppression demonstrated by the "token" mouthpieces propping up racist or misogynist ideology.

2133. vonKreedon - 7/9/2023 5:15:02 PM

Such as?

2134. Ms. No - 7/15/2023 12:23:44 AM

Candace Owens springs first to mind.

Mostly I mean any person who is part of a historically (and currently) marginalized group who argues that pushing for equity measures is somehow more oppressive, more racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. than the circumstances those measures are meant to counteract.

They're trying to cover their attempts to impede equity by pushing their idea of equality. Except that I don't think Candace Evans believes she's arguing against equity. I thing she truly believes that getting a helping hand now to make up for 200 years or more of oppression somehow demeans her...or maybe she's like Kanye and just doesn't believe systemic racism or sexism exist because she has risen to a position of privilege.

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