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46527. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 6:49:25 PM I meant to say this while back and I've been busy, but I really think 3i3b that the Clinton equals Trump posters are actually Trump trolls. Everybody was talking about being Rick rolled, and I think this election season they need to talk about being trump trolled. I think we were trump trolled in the international thread a few days ago.
Everything is going to come out this time to turn out, and the combination of Clinton and Obama and sanders and warren will hopefully land a good result November 8th. I gave money to the Obama campaign in 08, but I've never officially volunteered to work on GOTV and registration until this election. If people show up Hillary will win, nothing changing otherwise. Looking at past elections and polls leading up to election day, and debates, nothing about this one stands out in a way that does not lean toward Hillary. 50% of Americans think Trump is racist. I don't think 50% of Americans are racist, or certainly Obama's approval wouldn't be well over 50% right now, and I don't think a lot of people who are on the fence will pull the lever for him when it comes down to it.
Course I don't know any more than anyone else does, but I don't see anything in the trends that stands out in any way from past elections. 538 has it uncomfortably close, but they never had Trump ahead, and I frankly don't really get where they're coming from. They have a way lower Hillary percent then New York times or Huffpost or Real Clear Politics averages, for that matter. I will not be watching the debate tomorrow night, though. I cannot cannot cannot. I'd rather watch a Friday the 13th Marathon. 46528. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 7:09:59 PM Per above, see International:
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/16/navy_yard_shooting_as_false_flag_alex_jones_is_on_it/ 46529. judithathome - 9/25/2016 7:30:51 PM Jeez, that link you posted even made it over to Hawaii...my sister, who will delete my emails (unread) if they look anywhere NEAR to something discussing politics...somehow read that Washington Post article and freaked the eff OUT...I have been trying to tell her, in little dribs and drabs, that Trump could easily win this thing but to see it in black and white from a SOURCE that she isn't realted to just blew her mind. 46530. judithathome - 9/25/2016 7:40:58 PM I am definitely watching the debate...hell, I watch cable news from the time I get up until 9PM at night...since I don't go to bed until 3AM every "night". I have plenty of time to watch regular TV stuff that I tape during prime time...one day, Keoni is going to that huge golf course in the sky and they will find me long gone and cold with the remote in my hand and a shitload of taped stuff that I was watching when the "big one, Elizabeth" hit me. 46531. judithathome - 9/25/2016 7:48:40 PM I think we were trump trolled in the international thread a few days ago.
I think you are correct, ma'am!
46532. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 8:41:39 PM He just uses a Formula though. He doesn't even look at polls so in a situation like this one where he says it's incredibly close with his formula he's hedging his bets. I don't take it very seriously. 46533. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 8:45:28 PM I watch politics when I get home from work, but I also have other things going on that are more pressing right now, and I do check certain websites at work, particularly 538. Obsessively. I've got a baby blanket I need to get crocheted between now and election day. 46534. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 8:48:47 PM She seems to think that posting from ant alt right tabloid British side is somehow more credible than the American sites that spew this stuff all the time. 46535. arkymalarky - 9/25/2016 9:28:16 PM I think Hillary Clinton's best ad strategy would be to focus on her with children, and seeing pictures of her with kids just puts a smile on your face automatically; also her promotion of women's rights, starting with her statements that women's rights are human rights. I think they ought to really hone in on her strengths and not try to focus on what a nut job Trump is. Everyone knows what a nut job he is. But they need to know is why they should vote for her, and not in contrast to him but as who she is. 46536. arkymalarky - 9/26/2016 12:16:37 AM Wow, I can't believe how quickly she took my advice! Commercial I just saw with her going from the earliest to now on children was the best I've seen yet. 46537. winstonsmith - 9/26/2016 6:32:17 AM I were Clinton, I would be tempted to say something like this right out of the gate:
As you may know, the Trump caimaign has been pressuring the moderators to not fact check the debates and I just want to say, please, moderators, media and everyone at home, please fact check everything Donald and I say. 46538. arkymalarky - 9/26/2016 1:11:41 PM Agree 46539. iiibbb - 9/26/2016 6:00:01 PM Message # 46527
Data says the under 30 crowd is skeptical of Clinton. Facebook feed is populated by a variety of under-30's and it has been voiced more than once by artsy-fartsy friends of friends (read low-information voters).
These people were between 6 and 12 when Bush was last elected and between 2 and 8 when Nadir was in play.
So...
...no I'll admit I'm a little bit of a hypocrite because I did vote for Bush in 2000 because I was all Clinton fatigued...
But... I also think the stakes are much much higher than they were then given the makeup of Congress and other factors.
46540. judithathome - 9/26/2016 9:43:15 PM I heard that the only network that will be running a fact check crawl on both candidates at the bottom of the stage will be Bloomberg. 46541. judithathome - 9/26/2016 9:46:29 PM Not STAGE....SCREEN. sheesh....
My only excuse is Kellyanne Conway was yakking on the TV as I typed that...her husband better hope she never committs adultry because she would be able to misdirect his charges to the point he would come out of court thinking HE did the deed...WITH Hillary Clinton! 46542. judithathome - 9/27/2016 5:47:45 PM No contest last night...Hillary won the debate and looked more presidential than that grimacing, inarticulate sniffling buffoon. 46543. judithathome - 9/27/2016 9:33:38 PM Long read but well worth it by Dan Rather...
"Ladies and gentlemen, whatever civility once existed in our politics is tonight officially dead. Never in the history of televised debates have we witnessed such a show. And that’s what the Donald wanted. A show. He got it, but will he be seen as the hero or the villain?
If you are a fan of Hillary Clinton, I suspect you are thrilled with her poised and confident performance. Perhaps her crowning line was “I prepared for this debate and I'm prepared to be President”. If you are a fan of Donald Trump, his quarrelsome, no-holds-barred approach, often facts be damned, will likely in turn have thrilled you. The question is what does everybody else watching think and how many impressionable voters remain?
Taking a snapshot of the debate stage this evening, two candidates behind podiums, each representing one of the major political parties, it would seem to be the latest chapter in our quadrennial dance with democracy. But experiencing the event, in sound and motion, it was of course anything but.
46544. judithathome - 9/27/2016 9:34:05 PM (con't)
From the very beginning, the body language tonight was striking. HIllary Clinton, the first woman ever to be on this stage was calm and substantive. Donald Trump interrupted often and slouched and sneered as he turned to address her. This is what Trump’s fans like about him, playing the alpha male at all costs. Clinton seemed completely unflustered, which is what her fans love about her. How this all plays to the majority of viewers and voters at home will be in the eyes of the beholder.
But I was surprised by how much this man who has made so much of the means of television spent not looking into the camera, but preoccupied with his adversary. Trump came across as amped, a pacing tiger ready to pounce on every answer. His Interruptions suggests little regard to the rules. He’s itching for a fight...Wants to swing wildly.
At one point early in the debate Clinton, after multiple factually questionable assertions by Trump said, "I have a feeling by the end of this debate I'll be blamed for everything that ever happened," Clinton said. Trump replied, “Why not?” That about summed it up.
Clinton clearly wanted to get under Trump’s skin. She attacked him for getting a hefty amount of money from his dad, challenging the narrative that he was a self-made man. And then attacking his business practices. The headline she was aiming for is Donald the Deadbeat. And then on the issue of Trump’s unreleased tax returns, when Clinton says that was because he may not have paid any taxes, Trump responded, “that makes me smart.” Expect to hear more about this.
Clinton was clearly the policy expert, nimbly jumping from topic to topic, policy to policy. But she was also much more able to paint a big picture than I have seen in times past. I thought she was particularly effective on the issue of race and especially the birther lie against President Obama. She had the facts on her side, but also it was an effective appeal to fire up her base.
46545. judithathome - 10/2/2016 12:33:29 AM OMG....this is something I had never heard before...if it is true, this country is in DEEP trouble because this man is even
being considered as President of our country! Trump Accused of Spousal Rape
"(It’s not uncommon for court files to go missing.)"
Ha! No shit...especially TRUMP'S! 46546. arkymalarky - 10/2/2016 1:48:00 AM TPM has been talking about that for a while. A lot of stuff is coming out about him and it's not going to stop between now and election day.
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